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[Tom Conner]

Fer sure it is useful, occasionally. That insustrial classic anvil/metal/hammer klang sound from the early 90’s is a tambourine tuned way down.

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[Tom Conner]

Aha, thank you John! I think that tuning with an octave:semitone.cent format is not intuitive:

• Several octaves of tuning is rare with drums/cymbals/percussion so that first digit is largely unnecessary and complicates entering in normal smaller changes
• With 12 semitones per octave a tuning of 0:11.5 would be almost an octave higher, not 11.5% higher as it appears
• But, 0:0.11 *is* 11% of a semitone higher since there are 100 cents per semitone

Seems confusing to me. But maybe I am slow in the brain… 🙂  It would be easier to just use a normal numerical scale with a decimal point like volume level uses.

Thank you for listening!

Reply To: The detune parameter is measured in cents? version: 3.4.0
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[Tom Conner]

I am wondering about this as well. That tuning parameter is fussy to work with since most changes you want to make are small, say -0:04.0 to lower the pitch on a tom, or +0:02.5 to raise a cymbal. But the first two digits are for making large/huge tuning changes. I only ever edit thet 3rd and maybe 4th digit from the left. It would be easier to have a single number with one decimal point like there is for the level parameter. -4.0, +2.5 etc…

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[Tom Conner]

I think it better to have your trigger settings adjusted so they accurately capture the drums. That includes your hardest hit being 127 and the most quiet at 1. Settings like sensitivity and velocity curves need adjusting, and it can take a while to get it dialed in for you. In this way you are capturing the full available expression from the drums. Then separately use audio compression or limiting to make the sound natural to you in the context of the music.

This is the way it works with real acoustic drums as well, a snare hit can be barely audible to deafening, it is up to the audio gear recording the snare drum to make that sound right in the song, and of course how it’s played.

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[Tom Conner]

I right click the drums/cymbals when I want to select them and they make no sound, though I don’t think there is a way to select a single articulation silently. You can also pop up a little floating window by holding Ctrl-Shift (Windows) then clicking the drum/cymbal you want and that little window controls velocity based on where you click in it. Last thing, if you never hit velocity 127 you should adjust your pad/trigger sensitivity up since you are limiting your dynamic range. The very hardest hit ever should be 127. It should not be that no hits ever reach 127, or that medium hard hits reach 127. (Some roland pads have an extra 32 velocity they can add to the 127, but you get the idea.)

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[Tom Conner]

SD3 by itself is $350-$400. Sounds like for $700 you bought that and several SDX expansions? If so you should have several product registration codes. Install the free product manager from http://www.toontrack.com and click register product and type in a code, repeat. Downloading will take a long time. Then install. Might be some updates to install. Then use em.

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[Tom Conner]

I think it’s very unlikely that anyone from TT would comment, not a thing folks do in software development. The best thing maybe is to look at their other major (X.0.0) releases and see what the average gap is between them. For Superior drummer we only have two major releases to date: SD2 came out in 2008 (they never released SD1), and SD3 in 2017. So based on that 9 year gap, we might expect to see SD4 around 2017 + 9 = 2026.

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[Tom Conner]

Was going to say State of the Art as well for crisp/dry/natural.

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[Tom Conner]

Yes, I have both a DWe wireless receiver and an eDrumIn sending midi output via USB to my laptop. In SD3 go to Settings > Midi In/E-Drums > Select a midi device > Midi device and check both the TD17 and the Alesis multipad. Or if you run SD3 in a VST host set the midi inputs in the host.

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[Tom Conner]

The plot thickens. So when you start Cantabile Brad do you see the loading window as it preloads? And then when you later double click the SD3 instances there to see SD3 there is no sample loading in SD3 at that point in the top right corner?

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[Tom Conner]

Good deal, thank you again Brad. I told Cantabile about our findings.

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[Tom Conner]

Awesome guys, thank you all! I’ll let Cantabile know that this seems to be an issue with how it is preloading VSTs, and not SD3. I’ll also try it with another VST to see if I can duplicate it.

PS Mark – How do you like Rooms of Hansa? I have been thinking about that one. And I assume you are not the Level 42 bass player – sorry if you are sick of hearingf that. 🙂

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[Tom Conner]

Ah yes Brad that is good to know! So you are saying that when you load a Studio One show that has several SD3 instances with different presets loaded inside of it, they are all immediately ready to play when called upon? None of them need to load their samples at top right in SD3? I assume there is some delay when the show is first loaded for all the samples in all the SD3 presets to load in the background.

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[Tom Conner]

It is not fully loaded with samples ready to play when invoked by the Cantabile VST host. You have to select/load it manually and then it loads the samples. The question is, is this how SD3 works in all VST hosts/DAWs.

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[Tom Conner]

Funny, the Cantabile develolper’s name is also Brad. But yes thanks for looking at it. I should try some other hosts too like Gig Performer, Nanohost, Element, etc… to ensure the problem lies with SD3.

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