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[Billy 86]

Thanks. Curious…

Does this mean you have to drag each Groove into the Song Track to see what key it’s in?

Agreed, James. it sure would be a nice to avoid all those obstacles to efficient workflow you suggest by having EZ Bass transpose under the hood so MIDI performances support the user’s chosen key. Transposition is just straight math and should be a cakewalk for a program as programmatically robust as this is. OR, like EZ Keys, transpose the performance with a single click. Just port that code over.  Appreciate the responses.

SD3 3.4, EZK2.1.3, EZ Bass 1.3.1, Win11, i9/9900, all SSDs, 64g RAM, Cakewalk, Studio One

[Billy 86]

If you’re at your computer, have you determined the issue here? Can I filter by grooves that are only in a major key if the grooves key, as you suggest, overrides user-chosen key? Thanks.

SD3 3.4, EZK2.1.3, EZ Bass 1.3.1, Win11, i9/9900, all SSDs, 64g RAM, Cakewalk, Studio One

[Billy 86]

Thanks, Scott. That’s helpful.

SD3 3.4, EZK2.1.3, EZ Bass 1.3.1, Win11, i9/9900, all SSDs, 64g RAM, Cakewalk, Studio One

[Billy 86]

Wow. That worked! I’ve read the part of the manual that covers this area of operation, and it doesn’t say anything about the distinction you point out. Just, wow! I’ve wasted so much time on this and have been totally frustrated. What a simple thing. Yo, Toontrack, update the manual with this little tidbit.

Thanks, James!

Edit: a couple hours later, and I’m so stoked at the performance tweaks that are possible when that single piece of info provided the key to opening up possibilities. Thanks again.

SD3 3.4, EZK2.1.3, EZ Bass 1.3.1, Win11, i9/9900, all SSDs, 64g RAM, Cakewalk, Studio One

• This post was modified 4 years, 11 months ago by Billy 86.

[Billy 86]

Thanks for the response. This happens no matter which groove I pick. And if the key chord structure one selects and arranges in the Song Track is overridden by the key of the groove, shouldn’t there be a filter so that a user could select to show only major key grooves if we want a bass performance in a major key? Logically, this makes absolutely no sense.

SD3 3.4, EZK2.1.3, EZ Bass 1.3.1, Win11, i9/9900, all SSDs, 64g RAM, Cakewalk, Studio One

[Billy 86]

Welcome to the party! Just a heads up to everyone to avoid future frustration with the 1980’s era locked GUI: Don’t hold your breath. This has been requested again and again and again for a long time. The “stay-tuned or tooned” answer from the moderators has become kind of an inside joke.

SD3 3.4, EZK2.1.3, EZ Bass 1.3.1, Win11, i9/9900, all SSDs, 64g RAM, Cakewalk, Studio One

[Billy 86]

You’d be much better off using an external interface with dedicated ASIO drivers it will come with. ASIO4ALL is a lowest common denominator driver designed to accommodate multiple systems. Set your driver buffer as low as your system will allow to reduce latency.

SD3 3.4, EZK2.1.3, EZ Bass 1.3.1, Win11, i9/9900, all SSDs, 64g RAM, Cakewalk, Studio One

[Billy 86]

Davesband… The new iteration of Sonar is alive and well and fully supported, with regular updates. And it’s free. A company called Bandlab bought Sonar/Cakewalk from Gibson when they bailed on it on a couple of years ago. And great forum/community support.  Read more here: https://discuss.cakewalk.com/index.php?/forum/2-cakewalk-by-bandlab/

You can download the latest version here: https://www.bandlab.com/products/cakewalk

You’ll find the GUI to be mostly the same with some great upgrades since way back in Sonar 7 — take it from a guy who’s been in since Sonar 4!

SD3 3.4, EZK2.1.3, EZ Bass 1.3.1, Win11, i9/9900, all SSDs, 64g RAM, Cakewalk, Studio One

[Billy 86]

Agree. See my post about problems with EZB interpreting EKZ MIDI. Maybe should’ve waited for version 2.0. 😉

SD3 3.4, EZK2.1.3, EZ Bass 1.3.1, Win11, i9/9900, all SSDs, 64g RAM, Cakewalk, Studio One

[Billy 86]

Ahh. Yes. My error. Thought the Grid Editor focus, when switched to, would be on the MIDI notes being played in the Song Track.

What I’m having to do is drag/drop the sections in from EZK (Intro, Verse, Chorus, etc) one at a time to the Rhythm and Chords in EZB, then Export to Current Song Track at the correct song measure. EZB is still mis-reading the section type (which I can manually change in EZB). Every section is brought in with a key signature of Am, though the song is in A, but the notes are mostly correct in the Grid Editor relative to the EZK MIDI.

Would like to not have go through all this. Is this the best performance sharing data between EZK and EZB to expect, or is there some other adjustment I can make? You would think at least correctly importing the Song Type Part would be from one to the other wouldn’t be a problem.

Another strange problem: if I try to drag/drop the entire MIDI performance from EZK to the Rhythm and Chords in EZB, the bass notes track pretty well, but as soon as I try to reduce the amount of notes in Edit Play Style to make the bass a little “less busy,” every note from start to end snaps to A, so every performance parameter in the Grid Editor is lost.

SD3 3.4, EZK2.1.3, EZ Bass 1.3.1, Win11, i9/9900, all SSDs, 64g RAM, Cakewalk, Studio One

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[Billy 86]

Yes, I understand EZB won’t show the extensions; what I’m saying is that the various chord extensions and inversions — such as having a C# in the piano bass in a first inversion of an A Maj chord — or having 9ths and 11ths in a chord — may be confusing EZB deciphering what the actual chord is, and therefore what the “root” bass note of the chord should be.

Yes, I’m using version 1.3.0 of EZ Keys….

Dragging MIDI from EZK to the Rhythm and Chords conversion in EZB actually sounds pretty good, even though I get no part information (Intro, Verse, Chorus, etc.). It needs some adjustment in spots, however. But I can’t do that because when I click the Grid Editor tab there is no data there. There IS data there if I drag to the Left Hand option in EZB. See photos. EZB2 is the result of dragging EZK MIDI to the Rhythm and Chords (see in the song track it’s one continuous Verse part in the wrong key notation of Am. EZB3 is what appears in the Grid Editor, which is nothing.

SD3 3.4, EZK2.1.3, EZ Bass 1.3.1, Win11, i9/9900, all SSDs, 64g RAM, Cakewalk, Studio One

[Billy 86]

It will read that there are chords if I choose the left hand version, but some chords aren’t being picked up, maybe because of the velocity of what EZB is reading as the “bass” note on the piano? However, even in the left hand version interpolation, it seems the chord isn’t always correct, and I suppose it might be because many of the played MIDI packs I’m using have “color” added to the basic chords… inversions… 9ths… 11ths.. ect.?

Also… if I choose left hand, the MIDI info shows up in the Grid Editor. If I choose Rhythm and Chords, it doesn’t, even though there is data and stuff is playing in the song track below.

SD3 3.4, EZK2.1.3, EZ Bass 1.3.1, Win11, i9/9900, all SSDs, 64g RAM, Cakewalk, Studio One

[Billy 86]

Then the only option at this point is to export the MIDI when you’ve got everything like you want it and move the offending note in your DAW piano roll view by hand. Hope there aren’t a zillion of them. You may be able to batch move depending on your DAW.

SD3 3.4, EZK2.1.3, EZ Bass 1.3.1, Win11, i9/9900, all SSDs, 64g RAM, Cakewalk, Studio One

[Billy 86]

You can simply lasso all the MIDI data by click/drag you mouse over it, and then just drag it in and place it in a CW MIDI track where you want it.

SD3 3.4, EZK2.1.3, EZ Bass 1.3.1, Win11, i9/9900, all SSDs, 64g RAM, Cakewalk, Studio One

[Billy 86]

Have you set the key to G in EZ before you bring the MIDI file in?

SD3 3.4, EZK2.1.3, EZ Bass 1.3.1, Win11, i9/9900, all SSDs, 64g RAM, Cakewalk, Studio One

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