Bear-Faced Cow
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Bear-Faced CowWe are talking about two kits recorded in two different studios by two different producers, using two different recording chains and techniques. They will not sound the same.
What you are best to do is use two separate instances of EZ Drummer. One for the kit that you want, and the other for the octobans,
If you had Superior Drummer you could use the ambience stealing trip on the octobans. But that would be the closest you could get. It’s possible that you could fake it in a DAW using a convolution reverb.
jord
We are talking about two kits recorded in two different studios by two different producers, using two different recording chains and techniques. They will not sound the same.
What you are best to do is use two separate instances of EZ Drummer. One for the kit that you want, and the other for the octobans,
If you had Superior Drummer you could use the ambience stealing trip on the octobans. But that would be the closest you could get. It’s possible that you could fake it in a DAW using a convolution reverb.
jord
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Thanked by: Scott Eshleman and ShootieBear-Faced CowIt doesn’t really matter how the end result is reached in my opinion.
Other than the fact that it does matter, you really didn’t answer the questions. No matter… it tells me more in this case.
Unfortunately, I have to work within the skill set I have and using the piano roll is the way I do it. I’m not a dummer, so it’s all I can do.
That’s more of an excuse than anything else. I’ve played guitar for 50+ years. Any semblance of drum playing would probably have someone dialling 911. However, I’ve learned to think like a drummer and why they do what they do when it comes to putting together drum tracks. There are plenty of references… DVD, online, etc. for drummer’s insights as well as drum programming. Look into a couple of courses by both Eli Krantzberg and Luke Oswald (both on Groove3).
With all due respect, I’m fairly sure that the feedback I received, the CD sales and the high radio rotation cant be that bad, but that’s just me defending my work I guess.
Despite the irrelevancy here, no one implied that it was. There is obviously something they like about it. However, it seems you are making it into a barrier.
Anyway, its the sound and production of the drums I’m really keen on improving.
Buying a library believing that it will improve production is like buying an expensive set of golf clubs believing that they will improve your game. Yes, they can add to (or take away from, for that matter) a song. However, they aren’t the song. Buy a library because you like where and how they were recorded. Buy it because you can hear it fitting into a song. Get it because it gives you new ideas. Or get it because it’s one of your favorite producers.
Whatever reason you buy it, it does not replace a solid arrangement and a decent overall audio production.
jord
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Thanked by: drumjack52Bear-Faced CowAnd in regards to:
The stock (Overloud) plugins do not do the excellent samples justice, especially in regards to compression.
There is nothing wrong with the stock effects, including the compressor. I’ve done numerous drum mixes with just the stock effects.
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Thanked by: Scott EshlemanBear-Faced CowLet’s dispel some of this…
I use piano roll in edit to record the drums. One beat/hit at a time. Very time consuming but it allows me to build the kit naturally
That’s not natural. Drums are a holistic instrument and should be seen the same way a drummer would see them. Not to mention that being natural doesn’t really have to do with how you enter that beat on the grid, but where you enter it on the grid.
I dont use the grooves straight out of the box.
Why not?
Not beating my chest here.
That depends on the answer to the above question.
I know they’re not perfect, but I think most people dont realise it’s a drum machine.
It’s not a drum machine. In fact, it is far from it. What makes it sound like a machine depends on you and your drum programming. You might be surprised that people may sense a robot-like beat, but are not telling you.
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Thanked by: Scott Eshleman, David Kennedy and drumjack52Bear-Faced CowThank you. I’m aware of both, but neither addresses my current need. I worded it very carefully to describe exactly what I need. Thanks again.
Whatever… there are plenty ways to get what you need
jord
Bear-Faced CowYou can also make your own unique grooves by dragging groove parts from different grooves. You can also add to a groove using Edit Play Styles. Plenty of ways to make your own grooves.
jord
Bear-Faced CowShootie, funny how we saw a question like that this morning on your Facebook group. 😀
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Thanked by: ShootieBear-Faced CowWhat bundles if any did SD3 come with? If i buy Foundries, I wont be doubling up will I?
Any libraries that you may have purchased with Superior Drummer would show up in your purchased items within the Product Manager. That is the best place to look.
When I listen to the drum bundles on the website (Rock Foundry for example) they sound amazing. Is that how we get them or do they have to be produced to sound like that?
Yes, and no. A lot of the heavy lifting has been taken care of in the recording stage. However, there is still effort on your part that is required to make it fit into your song. There are presets that will help you along the way, and they are a good jumping off point.
Although I love the massive choice available, there’s really only a couple of kits that I would use that will cover all music for me. I took the Beatles approach. In other words, that wrote great songs and were very versatile using on kit, bass and a couple of amps. It was more trying to capture the moment and make the band sound live and together, not fantastic production skills
Sorry, but that doesn’t apply in your case. You are not capturing a band performance. You are capturing ideas jamming to a recorded groove. Even more so if you are recording your guitars direct into the computer and using a plug-in to shape them. If you are looking to make your drums sound better as above, then you need to rethink your approach.
You should not really be looking at the library as to what kit they have, but more which producer in studio recorded them. The same kit in different studios will sound different. Add the producer in to the mix and you’ll get even more difference of sounds. Also, in a recording situation, you are more likely to switch out the kick and snare in order to match the song.
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Thanked by: Scott Eshleman, David Kennedy and drumjack52Bear-Faced CowDamian would have the definitive answer on this. However, unless it was something overlooked (which I am inclined to doubt considering it extends to all of the cymbals), I’m guessing that the reason for no cymbals on tape is either due to the size it would impose on the SDX, or them coming out rather sloshy on tape due to rounded transients and high-end roll-off combined with a mid boost which can easily turn the drum mix into a pile of mud.
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Thanked by: johamBear-Faced CowThank you, Mick! It was indeed a Logic setting where somehow when I paste the Midi it also included the tempo. I was able to reset that in the General Settings/Notifications in Logic.
What a headache, thank you for your help!
It’s only a headache because you clicked on the “Don’t show again” checkbox, whether intentionally or inadvertently.
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Thanked by: jmkratt@gmail.comBear-Faced CowPost the Superior Drummer project so we can get a better idea of your issue.
jord
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