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[Bear-Faced Cow]

Based on your screenshot you might have confused Bandmate with the Replace MIDI functionality. That has a similar look to the EZ Keys that you are describing.

Jord

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Jordan L. Chilcott

Web Site: https://jordanchilcottmusic.com/

[Bear-Faced Cow]

There’s no need for a video. Grab the Session Player maps within the Superior Drummer forum (may have to do a search) and load an Superior Drummer 3 instrument track in Logic Pro 11.  Session Player regions can be used on any instrument track in Logic.

jord

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Jordan L. Chilcott

Web Site: https://jordanchilcottmusic.com/

[Bear-Faced Cow]

It’s only your opinion.

i think after 4.5 decades of doing this in the real world, I believe I know the difference between arranging and programming in the musical sense.

NI percussionist, GA and even small player like Goran Grooves for that matter understood full set grooves pretty well.

It’s only your opinion.

You don’t have to construct them from scratch just to get an idea what it can sound like with your composition.

Already I can tell you what they sound like: contrived and not real for any arrangement. It’s not how percussion works in real music, unless you’re using a 1970s Lowery Magic Genie organ. And if you want to call it my opinion, perhaps do it after you have done some real world arrangements for clients.

But hell, if full percussion players are your thing, you can map EZ Drummer 3 to them (and before you tell me it can’t be done, I’ve already mapped the Logic Pro 11 Session Players to LCP.

“You can map it any way you want. You can adapt it to your own MIDI grooves.” I don’t believe you can do it in bulk, meaning whole loop pack instead of individual files.

I don’t believe that you have a handle on what you are talking about here.

I think toontrack failed miserably in hand percussion instrument grooves. Both instrument by themselves are OK, but not having full… well semi-full kit grooves since first release  15 years ago just unacceptable. So many world genres under represented.

Your opinion only.  True there are plenty of world percussion instruments yet to be done, but between this and many of percussion libraries on the Superior Drummer side, I’ve got a lot to use.

Instead, listen to full kit grooves plugins offered by other developers:

Again, listen to how things are done in the real world. And if you can’t create them within 2 minutes of MIDI speed dating, that isn’t ToonTrack’s failure.

Jord

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Jordan L. Chilcott

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[Bear-Faced Cow]

But that is programming.

No it isn’t.  It is arranging as it should be with percussion instruments

The magic of EZ stuff is that you can preview grooves on the fly and then do edits once it’s sketched out. And it works wonders for most, if not all EZXs… except for percussion

You’re confusing drums with percussion. Drums are holistic in nature. Percussion isn’t. Thus, layering them as such would be expected in any arrangement.  Being able to create rather realistic percussion grooves in EZ Drummer 3 is the real magic using groove parts. I use this with Latin Cuban Percussion all the time. Never a disappointment with it.

Because this kit is mapped the way it is, most percussion MIDI loops need to be completely re-mapped. I have “world beats” from groovemonkey, but it doesn’t play nicely with Latin Cuban EZX because of mapping.

Not true. You can map it any way you want. You can adapt it to your own MIDI grooves.

jord

 

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[Bear-Faced Cow]

Yes, this is how you do it. You can also use this method for recording other MIDI tracks in Logic Pro 11 into Superior Drummer.

jord

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Jordan L. Chilcott

Web Site: https://jordanchilcottmusic.com/

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[Bear-Faced Cow]

To further elaborate on Mark‘s post, Superior Drummer 3 won’t load user presets from Superior Drummer 2. Factory presets are different story since Superior Drummer 3 will open all libraries from Superior Drummer 2.

however, if the OP is on an M series, Mac, then the only way he would be able to access his old projects with Superior Drummer 2 is by running Rosetta. That’s when the user has to determine if it is worth it. If the old projects could use some new life, then he can drop in Superior Drummer 3.

At this point, I think the OP is capable enough of making his own informed decisions.

jord

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Jordan L. Chilcott

Web Site: https://jordanchilcottmusic.com/

[Bear-Faced Cow]

I don’t believe Superior Drummer 2 had a timeline. In that case, you could probably switch your old projects over to Superior Drummer 3 and get rid of Superior Drummer 2 itself, if you want. You might even find new life in your old projects if you decide not to use the NY Avatar library.

jord

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Jordan L. Chilcott

Web Site: https://jordanchilcottmusic.com/

[Bear-Faced Cow]

No problem. As for the external drive type, you can get any USB-C type SSD since the drums are loaded into RAM. You will still get a good data transfer rate resulting in a fairly quick load time.

jord

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Jordan L. Chilcott

Web Site: https://jordanchilcottmusic.com/

[Bear-Faced Cow]

It all depends on the genre you’re after. For me, my go to Ludwigs have always been in The Rock Foundry and Legacy of Rock.

jord

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Jordan L. Chilcott

Web Site: https://jordanchilcottmusic.com/

[Bear-Faced Cow]

I haven’t done that previously and am concerned that SD won’t be able to find the libraries. How do you direct SD to the hard drive storage?

You can move your libraries anywhere and point Superior Drummer to them in your Library/Path settings.

jord

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Jordan L. Chilcott

Web Site: https://jordanchilcottmusic.com/

• This post was modified 10 months, 2 weeks ago by Bear-Faced Cow.

[Bear-Faced Cow]

If are you calling this fighting at your age, I highly suggest you re-read what I am posting. You are free to use whatever you want to do your drums, but there is so much incorrectness in your post that needs to be addressed. So, I’m going to break it down starting with the obvious.

I am a drummer too, since more than 50 years

Unless you are actually playing the drums into Logic, the only relevance this has is rudiment knowledge. And if you were, you would be taking advantage of the drum maps in EZ Drummer and even then I would suggest you record into EZ Drummer. However, what we are doing right now is drum programming which is in itself a far cry from drumming. Drum programming is a game of numbers  and being able to make those numbers similar, or identical, to what real drummers would be playing on a MIDI drum kit.

Using Logic is very simple as Logic is analysing the track depending of the arrangement track to automatically define the drum track. It give you very quickly a drum track with fills placed

You’re telling me what I already know. I have been using it since 2013 when it was released and the drumming styles actually had human names with biographies attached. It is one of the very reasons I did the Session Player mappings. Again, zero relevance to your drumming skills.

As much as I like to use the Session Players, the Bandmate feature in EZ Drummer 3 for coming up with grooves to match your audio is pretty good as well. I’ve also been known to use these interchangeably.

If you want to improve it you will have to use the Piano Roll, there are not much difference between the grid editor of SDZ3

Incorrect on so many levels. First of all, there are five ways to edit MIDI in Logic, with the piano roll being least efficient for drums. It is just the most convenient since it is prominently displayed. However, it is limited in the way you are using it because if you are going to stick to the mapping that the Session Player provides, you are losing out on numerous articulations that are readily listed in the grid editor in EZ Drummer. By your own posts, you’ve admitted to have EZ Drummer for a very short while which is not enough time to actually think the grid editor is the same as the piano roll. Yeah, if you are looking at it on the surface, one can say there is no difference. However, the difference is in the tools for “improving” your grooves. Unless you’ve set up various key commands and MIDI transformations and built up a workflow in Logic, which I believe you haven’t, the tools in EZ Drummer can’t be beat. Pushing, pulling, humanizing as well as (de)crescendos are way faster and less tedious in EZ Drummer. That’s only the short list. I haven’t even mentioned Edit Play Styles up until now.

And if you believe that the only way you can edit your Session Player grooves are in Logic, you are incorrect as you can bring your grooves from Session Player directly into EZ Drummer 3 without the need to convert to MIDI.

The other advantage is that if you have a piece and you want to use its drum track with the GREAT SOUND of SZD3 it is very simple. Just drag the track on the Mapped Instrument

Very tedious since you can set EZ Drummer up as a Session Player instrument directly and do all of you work on a single track. I highly suggest you familiarize yourself with both Logic Pro 11 and EZ Drummer 3’s features to take full advantage of it.

Is it possible in SZD3 to give a score to the drummer that is going to play your song live ?

Big deal! Drag your grooves into a Logic MIDI track for that to create a score. Highly suggest you familiarize yourself with knowing how to map a drum score in Logic, though. It’s not totally accurate. Besides, I trust most of the drummers that I work with to do their own thing.

The first Mapped Instrument I am doing will only contain the instruments used in Logic.
The second one will contains all the 127 instruments of SDZ3 (end of March)

Then you should be using the default EZ Drummer 3 mapping. Again, knowing how EZ Drummer 3 works, you would know that mappings are one way. EZ Drummer uses the Session Player maps to translate the incoming MIDI to its own default format. They also don’t cover the entire set of articulations in EZ Drummer so you’re going to have a hybrid map. Again a setup for issues. Also note that mapped instruments in Logic are not instrument tracks, but MIDI tracks that you need to wire into your tracks through the environment. Very tedious work with diminishing returns for what you already get in EZ Drummer, not to mention risky.

But if that’s what you want to do have fun and make sure you save it as a template.

jord

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Jordan L. Chilcott

Web Site: https://jordanchilcottmusic.com/

[Bear-Faced Cow]

Your turn to get me this time, Brad. I forgot about the trash part. 😀

jord

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Jordan L. Chilcott

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[Bear-Faced Cow]

It has absolutely nothing to do with the amount of space available that the Finder is reporting, especially in the Application Support folder. It’s like arguing about the how many chairs were out on the deck of the Titanic after it hit the iceberg. it is only confusing the issue at hand.

The OP should probably run disk utility to see if possibly the B-tree or the directory tables are possibly pooched.

Not to mention that it’s still stands at the user should install the drum libraries on an external drive,

jord

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Jordan L. Chilcott

Web Site: https://jordanchilcottmusic.com/

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