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These drums sound too soft, even on the max velocity. Of course you can compress and limit the hell out of that, but in the end it will still be a soft hitted drum.

Sorry, but that’s not true. Listen to many raw unprocessed recorded drum tracks and you’ll hear them sounding wimpy, wooly and somewhat limp before any real processing is applied. Compression is more for evening out the dynamics and perhaps bring forth the transients, but that’s only one thing. There are way more techniques to bring out the aggression. You need to figure out what’s best for the song.

Especially for kick/snare and toms, cymbals less but still. It feels like theres missing the last 10-20% of hard hits in all the core libraries. And this youtube video also proofs my point imho.

No… it doesn’t prove your point. Maybe it’s illustrating that you’re not doing something correct in your mix. One of the main reasons that the rock and metal SDX packages sound the way they do is because much of the processing that that you are believing is wrong is applied at the source (ie, is part of the recording process) bringing out that aggression. Because SD3 Core Library is a one size fits all library, applying that type of processing at the source is not a viable idea since it only applies to one genre. Chances are, if you are not getting what you need out of a kit piece, you’re using the wrong kit piece for that track.

If it’s not aggressive, the only reason is because it hasn’t been made to be aggressive. That’s a user limitation and not SD3.

Thank you for the tip! So after spending all that money on SD3 I need to spend another 150$/€? Thats really disappointing…

You couldn’t get a professionally recorded set(s) of drums from Bob Rock, Michael Ilbert or Mark Lewis so cheap, and that’s not even accounting for the time to rent the studio space! If you want all of that stuff that you didn’t want to do yourself, then the above are your people since they’ve done the work for you. There’s no something for nothing.

jord

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Jordan L. Chilcott

Web Site: https://jordanchilcottmusic.com/

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[Bear-Faced Cow]

It also goes without saying to remember to enable to bleed for that channel for the instruments that you want to go through it.

jord

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Jordan L. Chilcott

Web Site: https://jordanchilcottmusic.com/

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[Bear-Faced Cow]

All of the instrument aux channels in Logic will stereo from SD3. However, Logic is flexible enough in that you can set up mono aux channels with the input being the left or the right stereo instrument channel. In SD3, you would hard pan your instruments going to these outputs.

jord

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Jordan L. Chilcott

Web Site: https://jordanchilcottmusic.com/

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[Bear-Faced Cow]

There a some EZXs with drum machine samples on them, if you feel the need to go that route. However, I couldn’t see myself spending that kind of money on drum machine samples.

jord

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Jordan L. Chilcott

Web Site: https://jordanchilcottmusic.com/

[Bear-Faced Cow]

There are already lots of drum machine samples out there that you can import into SD3.

jord

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Jordan L. Chilcott

Web Site: https://jordanchilcottmusic.com/

[Bear-Faced Cow]

Yeah, I found that to be a pain point as well. Considering that I have the identical MIDI libraries on my other computer, I’m going to try copying the entire folder. If that works, I might just try a symlink to the cloud directory so that I only have to worry about one groove directory.

jord

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Jordan L. Chilcott

Web Site: https://jordanchilcottmusic.com/

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[Bear-Faced Cow]

I had a similar situation on my Mac. You should be able to install the app and then point it to your library. Then run the PM to update any missing items such as grooves.

jord

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Jordan L. Chilcott

Web Site: https://jordanchilcottmusic.com/

[Bear-Faced Cow]

Is Follow Host turned on?

jord

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Jordan L. Chilcott

Web Site: https://jordanchilcottmusic.com/

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[Bear-Faced Cow]

Check your MIDI input. If you’re not getting a velocity level of 127 on your harder hits, you might want to adjust your pad sensitivity first. Once you have that, then adjust the map.

jord

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Jordan L. Chilcott

Web Site: https://jordanchilcottmusic.com/

[Bear-Faced Cow]

I believe we can agree on the fact that if you are not getting 127 out of your hardest hit, then yes your controller needs to be adjusted ignorer for you to be able to achieve maximum velocity without having to go all caveman over it. Again that would apply to all controllers (e-drums, pad, etc). However, based on

If I really whack them hard I can get the maximum midi level of 127 (as shown by the Analyser in SD3), but even then that does not sound as loud or as good as clicking on a drums image with a mouse.

if you are achieving higher velocities and it doesn’t sound right, then one needs to adjust the velocity map in SD3. Everything between your softest and hardest hits are not linear.

jord

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Jordan L. Chilcott

Web Site: https://jordanchilcottmusic.com/

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[Bear-Faced Cow]

You’re right in that everyone hits differently. However, saying that the preset doesn’t take this into account is incorrect. The only reason one doesn’t take it into account is because they don’t use the preset’s input velocity mapping to adjust their sensitivity:

Quite often people are simply loading the preset as is with the input velocity mapping set to linear.

For those of us who use our MIDI controllers, and e-drums are nothing more than a glorified MIDI controller, for more than SD3 (SD3 is only one rhythm producing software that I use), it doesn’t make sense to adjust the hardware, especially if your hardware is performing as desired in other software. It is far more sensible to adjust the software to your playing so that you don’t have to keep readjusting when going between software, which can introduce its own errors.

jord

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Jordan L. Chilcott

Web Site: https://jordanchilcottmusic.com/

• This post was modified 5 years, 12 months ago by Bear-Faced Cow.

[Bear-Faced Cow]

You libraries should be safe. As long as you repointed SD3 to them and SD3 isn’t barfing or complaining, the Product Manager shouldn’t see it as needing a reinstall (mine didn’t). Just install the updates that the PM downloads and you should be all good to go. Like I said, this is all I had to do.

jord

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Jordan L. Chilcott

Web Site: https://jordanchilcottmusic.com/

[Bear-Faced Cow]

I just recently went through a similar situation on my Mac..

If you run the product manager, it should indicate that some updates are required. Those should include the MIDI libraries, or at least include them. Download and install the updates and your MIDI libraries should reappear.

jord

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Jordan L. Chilcott

Web Site: https://jordanchilcottmusic.com/

[Bear-Faced Cow]

The MIDI/e-drum presets do, actually…

I would recommend this over adjusting the hardware sensitivity for many reasons. One of them being that you can have different user variations to suit the type of kits and save them along with your kit presets. There are others…

jord

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Jordan L. Chilcott

Web Site: https://jordanchilcottmusic.com/

[Bear-Faced Cow]

The velocity map transforms your incoming MIDI. It is probably sending out a lower value and needs to be adjusted to suit your playing style.

jord

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Jordan L. Chilcott

Web Site: https://jordanchilcottmusic.com/

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