Bear-Faced Cow
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Bear-Faced CowBFD3 groove palettes are not MIDI. The only way to get them into SD3 is to drag the grooves from BFD into SD3, or export a track from BFD and load it into SD3. Either way, they would be saved as user grooves. As to whether they would be searchable, one of the Toontrack officials would have to weigh in. You would also need to make sure that you are using a standard BFD3 key map, so that SD3 will recognize it via MIDI/eDrum settings.
jord
Bear-Faced CowThere are a few directions you can go. I got some neat variations using Metal Foundry using a Sonor Tomas Hakke kit and Pearl Free Floating Brass Snare as well as Metal Machinery using a Tama/Ludwig mix for the kit and the Tama Bell Brass for the snare. Again for both, the kick needed to be stacked, which I used either the “Kick of Death” or “Grunt Kick” with a short decay to shape the transients (plus also comes through on smaller speakers in a mix). I also shaped the snare for little more “bonk” out of it.
It was actually a fun challenge for me. As to how close they are to Danny Carey’s sound, who knows? Someone might think they’re close and others may think they’re as far as the east from the west. One thing’s for sure and that’s it’s inspiring me to fire up a couple of grooves and break out my guitar and chug along to them… might even feel a song coming on.
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Thanked by: ChadwickDunderc0ckBear-Faced CowI get something relatively close in core library with the following:
I found the Amb Near and OH Dyn channels more to my liking for this.
A little reverb and some processing along with some parallel compression and it seemed good to go (for now). I might post it, once I finish tweaking it (I still have some bus processing that I want to do on it)
jord
I get something relatively close in core library with the following:
I found the Amb Near and OH Dyn channels more to my liking for this.
A little reverb and some processing along with some parallel compression and it seemed good to go (for now). I might post it, once I finish tweaking it (I still have some bus processing that I want to do on it)
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Thanked by: ChadwickDunderc0ckBear-Faced CowWilling to bet it’s having a fill region that contain fractions of a bar rather than whole bars, which is what the main big is about.
Simple workaround for now, until an update is released, is to use complete bars for fills. If your fill is less than a whole bar, chop off a bit of your groove and join it to the fill to create a complete bar. It’s a 2-second process that isn’t really that much of a pain.
jord
Bear-Faced CowIt is probably best to caveat this: if you are using one of the presets that had processing on channel 1/2, you will want to recreate this bus in Logic (disable or remove the plug-ins on SD3’s output channel) and route your bounces into it, as your bounce will probably not sound the same as the original preset. Copying the plug-ins to each output channel won’t achieve the desired result, in case you may have thought that, as you are not treating the mix as a whole. Instead, it would sound unnatural and somewhat disjointed.
jord
Bear-Faced CowI’m not a Reaper user, but based on how I organize my work with Logic, are those tracks contained within the main SD3 track? If so, are you able to put that entire container in a folder?
Obviously something an experienced Reaper user would be able to better address…
jord
Bear-Faced CowI’d chalk that up more to producer prerogative than anything else. While some libraries have a stereo snare bottom, others such as Rock Foundry and Custom & Vintage, may not. However, you might find other mic channels, such as a snare side, in the case of Rock Foundry.
I see all of these more as possibilities and flexibilities more than anything else.
jord
Bear-Faced CowThis is something that you would have to do within your DAW either with multiple versions of SD3, multi-channel outputs and automating the faders or automating a macro within the mix. That’s just a few possibilities.
jord
Bear-Faced CowIf anything, you should just be trying to capture a sound and not look for any specific kit pieces, since there are as different ways to record a single kit as there are SDXs (every producer is different). you can shape and stack kit pieces in almost every imaginable way in SD3. You should also be matching the sound to your music and not the other way around.
jord
Bear-Faced CowGeorge Massenburg recorded the snare bottom in stereo. Other than the fact that it sounds good, you’d probably have to read up of his recording methodology to discover his insights.
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Bear-Faced CowI like this, being able to drag it directly onto a track for micro edits once it’s done macro editing as far as you want to go in EZD2.
What happens though if you want to change it again in EZD2? Can you just drag the whole thing back over from the DAW track, into EZD2’s track? Would it lose any micro edits in the translation?
I used to do this all the time between Logic and EZD2. I would use EZD2 for its Edit Play Styles and Logic for overall drum programming. What I would recommend is that when you go back into EZ, split the track back into regions so that you are not performing global edits, possibly trampling what you’ve done in your DAW.
jord
Bear-Faced CowI didn’t even consider that. I like that idea even more! Could be useful for further sketching ideas.
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Bear-Faced CowI’m not concerned about the MIDI, although I could probably symlink the user MIDI at some point, as I would want to share them between my computers. . I’m considering more of the SDXs that I use more when writing and putting the others on my external drive. I find that my go-to’s when writing are pretty much shortlisted. The others come into play when editing and mixing.
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Bear-Faced CowOut of curiosity, I tried to see if I could make it crash in Logic and had no luck either (the Dev/QA in me also tried going a bit beyond the steps to see if anything would happen… no luck). What are your CoreAudio settings in Logic? Are there any other plug-ins being used in your Logic project?
jord
Bear-Faced CowAgain, how are your regions lined up? I haven’t lost any edits with any regions set up as stated above.
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