Bear-Faced Cow
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Bear-Faced CowParticipantKey signatures don’t presuppose tonal centers. They contain 7 tonal centers within them. Tonal centres are defined by the circle of fifths. Key signatures define where they play in.
jord
Bear-Faced CowParticipantI think the confusion here is between key signatures and modes. Key signatures are only represented in standard notation by their root or relative minor. That is common standard notation. In the real world, your G Dorian song will still be represented by stating the key signature is either an F or D minor. In fact, it would have been more common to say that the key signature was D minor using a G Dorian feel to it. This is not incorrect by any means. Neither would saying that the key signature was F. I am willing to bet that your conversations would have included the fact that the modes themselves are degrees of the major scale. The modes themselves are the tonal center. The key signature is a notational representation of your tonal center. You would be correct in that stating that your G Dorian piece being B-flat Lydian would be incorrect due to its tonal centre. However, stating that the key signature is F or D minor is very much correct and has no bearing on the Dorian tonal center. So yes, if I were to change the representation of my modal center, that does not mean that I want the modal centre to change with it.
considering that logic has behaved rather consistently with standard notation conventions since 1988, I don’t see this as an issue at all with EZ keys and using the circle of fifths to change your tonal centre would be the proper way to do it.
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Bear-Faced CowParticipantAll you are really doing here is preaching to a choir and the use of names (guitar heroes and GIT alumni) don’t really impress me, considering I grew up in the music business dealing musically with the who’s who of the Canadian music scene, as my mother was a music agent. I got to learn things they don’t really teach you in school thanks to them, which I am starting to share with my granddaughters as they are learning to play piano.
However, that’s not the point…
The point is that regardless of whatever mode I have used, I would not want it to change regardless of whether I said the key is G or Em. Just as we have stated, the tonal centre is defined by the degree used in the scale. And if I am centring my entire progression around B minor (hence Phrygian), I would want to keep that tonal centre, just as I would want to keep a Locrian progression.
EZ Keys behaves pretty much the same as Logic Pro with respect to key signatures. I am willing to bet that it is no different with many other DAW’s.
jord
Bear-Faced CowParticipantSorry but I don’t agree. Stating whether a key signature is either G or E minor is merely an enharmonic representation. If I had a progression going from Bm C Am D7 G, I would not expect that to change since the tonal centre is Phrygian regardless of the representation.
nor, would I expect it to change any progression that I input into easy keys with any browser Midi superimposed.
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Bear-Faced CowParticipantA single search filter would be ambiguous. We would probably need a couple of search filters. One to indicate major, minor, diminished, etc. The other filter would be more for the model type. Not all Minor scales (eg., Dorian) are sad, and not all major scales (eg., Lydian) are happy-go-lucky.
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Bear-Faced CowParticipantThe key signature is just that… A key signature. It is nothing more than a set of rules within a musical staff. All you were doing from going from G to Em is changing the relative representation and not the tonal centre. Aside from the fact that your supposed progression is more correct for a major Phrygian/Harmonic Minor mode than in an aeolian/natural minor mode, a progression of G major is still correct. Changing your tonal centre is what the circle of fifths is for.
you are also looking at the key signatures rather myopically, since there are 7 different tonal centres within a key. Starting a song in D, for example, does not mean that the key signature is D. Whether you have represented the key signature in G or E minor has no bearing on that D tonal centre.
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Bear-Faced CowParticipantI wouldn’t bother with the gate or hi-pass in the case of SD3. I would use the envelope palette in the kit piece properties. Done right with the release curve and time, you can get a more natural taper of the ring, which in the context of a song is what counts perceptually. You can also simulate other muted effects with the envelope.
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Thanked by: myron and Magnus FiskvikBear-Faced CowParticipantDid you remove all of the preferences and databases? There’s a chance one of them could be corrupt.
Forcing an AU re-install can be done simply by removing the AU itself. If it’s not installing after that, then you have some sort of permissions/file system issue.
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Bear-Faced CowParticipantTry going into the Plug-In manager and doing a Reset and Revalidate of SD3 from there. I’ve seen corner cases with other AUs in that they crashed AUVal just due to the sheer number of AUs it was validating. Doing them individually often fixed that.
Considering that the majority of the entire music industry has not caught up to BS, I’d definitely say that the upgrade to it was premature.
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Bear-Faced CowParticipantIt’s not a Logic thing. It’s a plug-in spec thing. Most DAWs will instantiate a plug-in on a single core and that is what they are allocated to so as to properly allocate a more balanced CPU time to other plug-ins. Otherwise you will deal with latency and performance issues, especially when starting to add 3rd party plug-ins into the mix.
Within a DAW, SD3 is best set to single core.
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Bear-Faced CowParticipantI think we’re losing sight of the fact that we’re dealing with a library that has already been recorded with the heads tuned to the shells. When the pitch is adjusted, you are adjusting every aspect and are really not changing the relationship between the head and the shells. You’re not simply raising and lowering the pitch of the head.
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Bear-Faced CowParticipantConsidering that you are tuning the drums in context of the song, the song itself is defining the relative pitch as well as your starting point. That’s how you are determining if it will fit in.
jord
Bear-Faced CowParticipantThere’s an AudioUnitCache folder in ~/Library/Caches
Delete it and rescan.
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Thanked by: David PorterBear-Faced CowParticipantI’d say no to tape more because tape rolls off the high end, which would narrow everything down to a specific tonality, which may make it a bit more of an effort to sit in certain mixes. Tonality (and to some degree compression in the form of saturation) is already defined by the board (such as the Helios 69) to achieve a certain tonality that the producer used in their genre.
Frankly, I care more to see who the next legendary producer/engineer Toontrack works with to produce their libraries. Guys like Eddie Kramer & Bob Rock were the producers I grew up with (mind you, I grew up listening to Bob Rock playing in the Payola$ with Paul Hyde) and would very much like to see more libraries from producers that defined music like they did. If only Toontrack had a chance to work with the late great Andy Johns… that library would have been just as epic as Eddie Kramer. That’s the only library that keeps me hanging on to BFD. Considering that we lost some very notable legends in the past few years, I’m hoping Toontrack creates a legacy of the remaining ones before we lose them, like they did with Al Schmidt. The price of the libraries are a bargain for the feeling of working close to them inside their studio environment.
I say the same goes for many of the drummers out there for the MIDI packs.
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Thanked by: ScottBear-Faced CowParticipantNo, it’s tuning. In many cases you’re working in relative terms of the song and you’re tuning the drum to fit into that song. That’s not noodling. Noodling it more akin to blindly setting something to see if it will work.
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