>No. It is in the MIDI in/E-drums settings tab. You select an incomming note, e.g. 46, and then,
in the Mapping and Response window, assign articulations to CC-zones. I asked around
and it seems that the maximum is 3 zones and that is probably not enough for you. I think that
limit may be increased in some future update.
Ok, you mean that kind of PositionalSensing feature? I’ll check this out. But remember: a high detailed hihat has 8 open closed stages…
>Our CC-hihats, on the other hand, are not implemented in the samplers but
in the soundlibraries. Some sound expansions may have exactly the kind of CC-hihat
you are after, if that suits the sounds, e.g. electronic sounds.
Come on, you shall know what kind of hihats I mean (“the variable hihat set up to many open-closed-stages” (from my first post)): the high detailed ones, otherwise my claim does not make any sense
>Because they can’t do what we do, mainly because they use diskstreaming.
AddictiveDrums uses diskstreaming??? And what does this have to do with diskstreaming??
I really appreciate the SD hihat in its current state (as it is most authentical despite these “artefacts”) and I know you guys do a fantastic job and I really am a TT fanboy (as a drum teacher I always recommend TT software to my students) but can’t you realize that software drummers should have a choice to also get the CC hihat the way I’m after? Listen to my sound file if you still ask why
@Olle said:
There is a new feature in SD3 that allows the user to construct a CC controlled switch
of their own. It is mostly intended for positional triggering of cymbals but it could
probably be used in your situation too.
Are you talking about the “Hi-Hat Pedal Control” with its slider points? Then I cannot see this is in any context of my claim…sorry.
Dear developers at TT, please ask yourself why nearly all other manufacturers of drum sampler software implement that different variable hihat reaction.
“You are triggering the ‘Open 2’ articulation directly, not one of the ‘Trig’ notes, right?”
“Do you have a module attached and do you have a MIDI In/E-drums mapping Preset active?”
I use the Roland TD9 Preset so A#1 is the TipTrig articulation.
“I’m guessing you are not using the Trig scheme intended for opening and closing the HH via CC messages.”
Of course my CC messages are triggering the different open closed stages: why else would I achieve such a sound???
The issue is quite old: I already complained in 2014 on SD2 : https://www.toontrack.com/forum/superior-drummer-2-help/closing-variable-hihat-sounds-more-or-less-shaky/
The answer back then was the invitation to edit the CC curve but as I already said: “(ok, you might say: reduce the stages – but sometimes I want them!)”
If you still don’t know what I mean please compare the hihat CC reaction with AddictiveDrums or BFD – then you’ll easily learn the difference. And as I mentioned the variable hihat in these samplers does not react authentically [-> a max open stroke is only altered (muted) by the pedal articulation; increasing CC values (= relatively slow foot movement towards the closed position) won’t affect its release time!] BUT when playing e-drums I often prefer this behaviour because there won’t be any shaky or jittery sound.
I would pay $2000 for a Toontrack DrumBrain if it can replace the software-features in the most important aspects. But it has to be on the same level with Roland modules in trigger quality and trigger settings and low latency.
@Olle said:
>…but what about the missing variable hihat edge I mentioned??
Its not missing. As good as all our sound libraries have the same basic
MIDI mapping. When it comes to the cc-controlled hihat it is:
hatsTrig: 7, 18
hatsTipTrig: 8, 19
hatsBellTrig: 9, 20Exceptions are Electronic and Percussion that don’t have hihats.
Thanks a lot!!! I’ll check this. I would not have started this post (and tested for several hours) if I could find this documented in the EZX keyboard layout…but there is nothing written about these articulations and midi notes. Why??????
@Olle said:
Sounds like you have a big, “non-standard”, e-drum kit, which you are happy
to change the MIDI mapping for. In that case you don’t really need the EZ2
e-drum modes. They do not make any new articulations available in the MIDI
mapping. They only change some MIDI notes into others.
…but what about the missing variable hihat edge I mentioned?? Let´s take EZX Metal Machine for an example. Please tell me which midi note triggers the variable hihat tip and which one the variable edge?? (when not having set any e-drum mode)
I cannot find anything like that in the MM keyboard layout. I thought I had to switch to “Roland” mode to get this variable e-drum hats!.
So not having a variable tip and edge is really out of the question for a modern drum software (even if it’s EZy).
PS:
Arno.Meyer said :
I need Roland mode because of the hihat ( because there is no midi note mapped for variable edge -like in SD2- but only for vatiable tip (HH Variable – midi note 20 = G#-1).
-> amendment: G#-1 is only the variable tip for the EZD2 stock libraries.
ok, thank you very much!
Of course I was in “Roland”-edrum mode as an e-drummer with a Roland drumset… But I wonder why these two slots are not mapped or assignable in Roland mode…
@gmontano said:
Are you looking to fix it up after recorded or while?
Here is some info on the logical editor (not sure if it is included with Cubase Artist.)
http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/aug10/articles/cubase-tech-0810.htm
The MIDI plugin is probably easier though. Cubase is great for MIDI manipulation.
I’m looking to fix it up while e-drumming in real time.
The Cubase MIDI plugin “Transformer” is the tool for this and it works great. It is included with Cubase Artist. So I have to buy this DAW if Toontrack is not improving EZD2 for the demands of e-drummers.
The only thing that I think is very hard to set with the MIDI pugin is the mixing of bow and edge:
@Arno.Meyer said:
it would be really the most perfect if there was the option to mix the “tight” and the “closed” sounds for both pad areas (bow and edge):
For example having a “closed” bow sound and a “tight” edge sound for foot position fully down…
It would be really nice if EZD2 could implement this! 