MintberryCrunch
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MintberryCrunchI just tested the hi-hats after the latest update. Works flawlessly now using a CY-5 pad, FD9 pedal, and TD17 brain. Tried my Yamaha DTX HH65 into my DTX 502 brain also but that still sucks. Try the update it might solve all these problems for Roland users.
With v3.2.0 absolutely nothing has changed regarding the hihat transition behaviour, so the update won’t solve any of these problems for Roland users 😉
MintberryCrunch*system requirements: Host DAW: “Cubase (Artist or Pro)” or “Ableton Live (Suite)” or “Bidule”
I’ve also added Reaper and Logic Pro X support. 🙂
MintberryCrunchI don’t believe this applies to me since I get the issue whether I use my Roland kit or just enter notes in a new midi item with my mouse. Am I right?
There is only one issue. Completely filter out CC data and you won’t get open pedal sounds ;).
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Thanked by: Jean-Marc BoulierMintberryCrunchHey Steve, please send me your email address. You can also find me on Vdrums-Forum.
MintberryCrunchDo you have any experience with Yamaha RHH135 hi-hats ? Do they have the same issue as Roland and if so does your work around suit using Yamaha RHH135 ?
The brand of e-drum hardware manufacturer doesn’t matter, so yes: you can have it fixed using Yamaha (as long as your hardware generates a CC data range for hihat control).
MintberryCrunchYou mean something like this:
I’ve developed a workaround: you can toggle between 2 hihat engines (the orig. Toontrack vs. my clean one)
MintberryCrunchReaper has some very powerful MIDI filtering and modifiying programming tools that could probably be implemented to get a similar effect.
No, they are not powerful enough. 😉
So are you actually ADDING pedal notes when moving the HH CC slowly?
No, I’m not as an added pedal note would make additional noise. 😉
MintberryCrunchIt seems the Roland Module is sending HiHat Closed Notes when moving the control pedal slowly, causing SD3 to retrigger samples incorrectly.
No. It’s very simple and described in posts #2566484 and #2566912 :
” It has nothing to do with any articulations other than the pedal note along with CC data. Roland modules do not send anything different than this when playing the pedal “stepping” ”
“The same operating principle which provides “hihat splashes” will add unwanted open-(pedal-) sound when playing “stepping” hihat lines.”
You will also eliminate unwanted trasitions from open to closed when using that (my) engine: a Variable Hihat engine what ignores sheer CC.
Generally speaking, the “hard” transitions will allways be there. The TT hihat engine featured its principle of function since it was founded. There are no drum samplers on the market that can or will smoothen them (the only exception is the CC-hihat in “AbletonLive DrumRack/Sampler” (i.e. “Session Drums”-packs “Club”, “Multimic”, “Studio”)) because of adjustable crossfade CC value ranges (on the other hand there are different minor issues with that AL hihat engine, such as a long ringing open hit won’t be affected by a more closed hit and rings until the sample ends (unless muted by a pedal note)).
The only chance: make these “hard” transitions not annoy you by using a hihat engine workaround built in a suitable DAW that will only affect a single fading open hit by the pedal note or by max closed pedal position (my engine will also provide the last-mentioned aspect as Roland modules do not send pedal notes when closing the hihat quite softly) ;). You can try building your own fix but I can tell you building that Variable Hihat fix which is able to work properly and consistently is not that easy!
You can of course avoid the open artifacts when playing the fast “stepping” by simply deleting the “Open pedal” articulation. This will work for players who can go without pedal splashes BUT without my workaround engine the transition artifacts mentioned will still be there! 😉
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Thanked by: DutchDoctorMintberryCrunchHere comes the answer to such hihat issues! 🙂
If you switch to my hihat engine (that I’ve developed to fix the issue) you will have the same behaviour as Roland module hihat without any nasty transitions from open to closed. And you will be able to play the “stepping” without annoying open artifacts because it won’t allow transitions triggered by sheer hihat controller data. 😉
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Thanked by: DutchDoctorMintberryCrunchIt sounds to me like perhaps your up stroke is triggering your tip trigger or one of the bell triggers….I am sure you can find the result you want, it just may take time. There is a velocity gate setting somewhere that will cut out the quietest hits but if you gate the bow you may loose dynamics or drop softer strikes from the bow. Good Luck!
It has nothing to do with any articulations other than the pedal note along with CC data. Roland modules do not send something different than this when playing the pedal “stepping”* .
Also, a velocity gate makes no sense in this regard.
Remember: we want to hold up these two aspects: 1. Pedal Splashes and 2. “Stepping” without open artefacts 😉
Have you seen the vid posted by the OP?
EDIT: I’m not talking about “crosstalk” tip articulation notes which of course can occur when playing (“stepping”) a VHx on hihat stand. 😉
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