ElMojoWe already have it! Why do I need a damn logo to remind me. Tell your marketing people to F*** O** and fix the crap they have caused. You have once again broken a working product because of madness. Every time I load my stuff the drums don’t work until I go into SD3. Are you actually adults!
We already have it! Why do I need a damn logo to remind me. Tell your marketing people to F*** O** and fix the crap they have caused. You have once again broken a working product because of madness. Every time I load my stuff the drums don’t work until I go into SD3. Are you actually adults!
ElMojoI just said cars are a bad example. The only thing that limits a processors performance is heat. The more effective your heat reduction the faster the processor can run. Which is why I use liquid cooling on my processors. It is very simple physics.
ElMojoOk! Lets try to look at the facts as they stand now. My first question has to be. Why did you change a working and loved product?
My next question. Why do you think this will increase sales. In fact you came very close to losing me as a customer.
Third question……. Have you become so desperate as a company to even consider this. Companies much bigger than you are now getting the pushback from such strategies. Avid and Pro Tools being the prime example. Trust me! Avid are suffering and may well have to sell. Greed is the green devil don’t even look like you are among that scum.
Bear-Faced CowI just said cars are a bad example. The only thing that limits a processors performance is heat. The more effective your heat reduction the faster the processor can run. Which is why I use liquid cooling on my processors. It is very simple physics.
Superior Drummer 3 version: 3.3.3
Operating system: Windows 11
Proof right there that you have ZERO concept on what I just said about audio production. That’s as ludicrous as if Amazon were to say, “we’ll just power AWS with one giant CPU as long as it’s fast” or major telecom companies going, “we only need one strand of fibre, because the data is travelling at the speed of light”.
No amount of speed will get you through a processing bottleneck. In many cases, they will only reach them faster! You don’t get through them by ramping the speed. You get through them by widening the channel. I don’t hate to tell you, in audio production, the car analogy is an excellent one. Another illustrative analogy that I use when testing candidate developers is a hot dog eating contest. You can ponder why on that one.
jord
ElMojoHave you tried dancing naked around a tree? I am told that works too. Hahhahaha!
ElMojoYou are talking nonsense again. The latest I9 has 16 real processors. If kept cool inside a liquid cooled desktop they will give you a response time on tracking of under 2ms. If you are so clever tell me about another system that can do that . You are starting to sound disparate to prove a point you have not got a clue on. The more speed the processor has the more tracks you can record and play back. Have you lost all realistic sanity. You are just clinging on to last remnants of any dignity you have left.
Bear-Faced CowSorry, but anyone who refers to CPU specs in terms of audio production are the only ones holding on to any last remnant of their dignity. Not to mention that the very mention of 16-cores has more to do with bandwidth than speed. Do you think you’re impressing me? Do you even have the faintest idea of what I’m referring to? That’s only part of the equation. CPU’s are only good for everything that is already in RAM. Beyond that it is only as good as it’s slowest parts. THAT is where bandwidth is important. THAT is why I have built higher performing systems with slower CPU speeds over the past few decades. Seriously, even my son who’s only been alive for as long as you have been programming get it, considering he also has the basic core of everything you described on his desk right down to the liquid cooling that makes his unit look like a Borg incubator. Unlike you, he knows everything else that needs to be put into it to make it a high performing machine. Probably what makes him one of the more in-demand computer builders in the area. So, really, spare me your feeble attempt at schooling me. I’ve been around a bit longer than you in this case.
And you tell me: why is someone with a CPU comparable to an i9 having a logo appearance time longer than the 6-core Xeon in my unit?
jord
ElMojoI loved the wider channel comment. It is called bandwidth. Yes bandwidth does affect the speed of a computer. But only when you are using external communications. Such as USB or network connections. When you are using a DAW with plugins only heat limits the processing power. So the faster the processor the better in that case. Before I became a studio rat I worked as a firmware engineer. I did this for over 37 yrs. I was building music computers probably before you were born. So you are wasting your time trying to educate me. I have a MSc in Computer Science and have worked for the biggest names in the music industry. You are probably using code I have written. When you are using a DAW with plugins the only bottleneck is the processor. You might know a little about computer science but obviously you need to learn more.
ElMojoAnd you tell me: why is someone with a CPU comparable to an i9 having a logo appearance time longer than the 6-core Xeon in my unit?
jord
Well that was because it is on a timer that the development team at Toontrack programmed. That is standard practice for splash screens. I thought a programmer would already know that. This is becoming amusing.
Bear-Faced CowAnd you tell me: why is someone with a CPU comparable to an i9 having a logo appearance time longer than the 6-core Xeon in my unit?
jord
Well that was because it is on a timer that the development team at Toontrack programmed. That is standard practice for splash screens. I thought a programmer would already know that. This is becoming amusing.
Superior Drummer 3 version: 3.3.3
Operating system: Windows 11
Only thing amusing is your answer. If it were a timer, then the length of appearance should be constant regardless of CPU speed. To paraphrase your words, I would have expected a programmer to realize that.
jord
patrick maguireOk. Listen up. This is clearly a new delay occurring with the splash screen.
When I open a session and start playing the track, the drums all play right a away. When I open the plug to look at it , that’s when the delay occurs. So, the samples are already loaded. They play perfectly well until I click the plug in. That’s when there is a seemingly fake graphics delay. How else can you explain SD3 playing perfectly well until you try and look at the plug in ?
Mac Studio
Bear-Faced CowThe samples have nothing to do with it.
Running an fs_usage report while opening the SD3 interface with an already open Logic project is confirming a number of resources being loaded by SD3 while the logo is displayed. I also noticed a number of MIDI resources being loaded at the same time. Willing to bet depending on where they were installed is what is creating a time variance in the logo appearance and everything could probably be handled by lazy loading if the plug-in interface is not visible.
jord
patrick maguireSo, the delay is only for loading graphics. got that. The fact still remains it covers the screen while you’re looking at a session. When I open SD3 i have it set to a perfct 2/3 of the screen real estate. I like that, its on purpose. I think thats what is really a nuisance to the work flow. Again, some users wont react to this seemingly minor disruption in work flow. Some will. I do.
The visual aspect of work flow is so overlooked. Even the clients have reacted to the spalsh screen, saying “is it frozen?” “whats going on?” “is that new?”. its a pain in the ass .
ITS MUCH BETTER for me to have the visuals do nothing while im waiting for bloated graphics to load.
Perhaps an option for low fi graphics would address all these flaws.
Mac Studio
Mark KingThis is odd as I tested mine over the last few days and it’s not even a second it’s on the splash screen. I see it then it’s gone really quick.
SD3 with older sdx,s plus Rooms of Hansa and Death & Darkness. Cubase and wavelab current versions. Roland TD50x using all trigger inputs for triggering SD3 only. Windows 11 computer. Various keyboards and outboard gear as well as VST instruments. Acoustic drums: Yamaha 9000 natural wood and Pearl masters. Various snare drums. RME BabyFace Pro FS and Adam A7X monitors
patrick maguireYep. Its a system specific issue. And/or the size of the SD3 window maybe.
mine is huge. Fastest mac studio , super fast tb3 ssd drives, and a decent monitor.
Its a little disappointing because it’s the first time this new mac hasn’t been the best at anything I’ve ran into.
could be pro tools talking to SD3 without the m1 native code that pro tools is STILL not running. Lots of possibilities.
However , before the splash screen bug , it never wasted my time. Now it does. And it looks cheezy as hell.
Mac Studio
Bear-Faced CowIt is NOT system specific by any means.
Mark, I am curious as to how your data (personal, audio, samples, etc) is arranged on your computer. I have mine segmented and in some cases symlink’d. As well, do you own any MIDI groove packs (seeing as you are an eDrummer)? I noticed that’s where a ton of loading is happening.
jord
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