Using Latin Percussion EZX with Superior Drummer 3

[kristofic]

The issue is that the Latin Percussion grooves do not play the correct Latin Percussion instruments.  I can add the Latin Percussion instruments to the kit, but the groove notes all seem to play cymbals from the original kit, no the Latin Percussion instruments.

I can, of course, change the midi notes in the groove to play the added percussion instruments, but it doesn’t seem like I should have to do that.  Also, I don’t know what to change them to — I can’t tell what specific instruments the grooves are intended to play.

What am I missing?

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[Mark King]

Are these the grooves that came with the ezx? If not then they may be mapped different. The ones that came with the ezx should work.

SD3 with older sdx,s plus Rooms of Hansa and Death & Darkness. Cubase and wavelab current versions. Roland TD50x using all trigger inputs for triggering SD3 only. Windows 11 computer. Various keyboards and outboard gear as well as VST instruments. Acoustic drums: Yamaha 9000 natural wood and Pearl masters. Various snare drums. RME BabyFace Pro FS and Adam A7X monitors

[kristofic]

Here is what I am doing:

Bring up SD 3.1.2 in standalone mode.  It shows the default drum kit (mostly gretsch drums).

On the Grooves tab, on the far left, select (only) EZX Latin Percussion from the EZX Libraries group.  The main Groves window shows that all of the grooves are from that library.

Any grove that is selected plays cymbals from the default drum kit.  I can add latin percussion instruments using the Add Instrument button at the top left — no difference.  I can drill down the filters on the groove tab to those that only use the added latin percussion instruments — no difference.

If I look at one of the EZX Latin Percussion grooves in the midi grid editor, I can see that the notes are for the default drum kit.  For example, the EZX Latin Percussion groove “2 Slap Grooves 05” has notes for Cymbal 2 and Ride — and that’s what I am hearing, not bongos.  The added latin percussion instruments appear as Instrument 1, 2, etc, but there are no notes assigned to them.

I can add the Latin Percussion instruments before of after selecting the groove — the result is the same.

The grid editor does not show midi note numbers, but from looking at the keyboard layout pdfs, I think the note numbers in the groove do correspond to the latin percussion instruments — but it’s as if the groove were directed at the default kit, and not the latin percussion instruments.

Is there a step I am missing to direct the latin percussion grooves to the latin percussion instruments?

 

Thanks, MK

[John]

Hi,

 

you need to actually load the EZX in SD3, just playing back the grooves will only trigger the currently loaded drums.

Please see my screen shot.

 

Adding single instruments from the LP EZX to e.g. the SD3 core kits will not map them to their original MIDI mapping but will try to fit them into the current midi layout without disrupting it too much. The LP EZX MIDI assumes that the entire EZX is loaded with the instruments mapped accordingly.

BR,

John

John Rammelt - Toontrack
Technical Advisor

[kristofic]

Thank you! — Rookie mistake, obviously.

I imagine that I could have figured this out — if the downloadable manual had a table of contents and / index.  SD3 is a powerful, complex program, and as such, documentation is an important part of being able to figure it out.  My natural tendency is to consult a pdf version of the manual — but it’s hard to find what you’re looking for without an index or table of contents.

My next task is to figure out how to combine libraries (so I can have a regular drum kit and latin percussion  sounds together) — and I did just see that the on-line manual does have a table of contents, so hopefully I will figure it out in short order.

Thanks again — works like a charm.

[jimmy2thailand]

Hi,

I want to play conga 2 of my latin percwith the note to the right of conga 1.  My mapping triggers the bongos, and conga 1 but “not” conga two.  If I select with the mouse it plays but can’t find the command to route/reassign/learn mapping conga 2 to (for example) midi key E 3.  I am equally confused when trying to add my latin percussion bank to an existing drum program using for ex. NY Avitar.  I tried to open a multi instance of sd3 and make a new AUV track using 3/4 instead of 1/2 which triggers my NY Avitar.  I couldn’t find a way to have both the NY Avitar and Latin Per running over one multi instance f sd3 and wound up having to open a whole new sd3 instance using only latin perc.  (more CPU right)?  After opening the 2nd instance of sd3 and loading the per, I still had the above mentioned problem of not being able to play congas 1 and two from adjacent keys.  Please help with these problems!!!

Thanks

Superior Drummer 3 version: 3.1.4
Operating system: macOS Mojave (10.14)

I use LPX 10.4.2, on a 27" I Mac 3.4 GHz Intel Core i7, 32 GB 1600 MHz DDR3, Apogee Quartett/ Superior Drummer 3 /all the Spectrasonics stuff/ NI Kontakt 5+studio drummer/ Izotope 8+ Neutron 2, Novation Mkii 61 SL keyboard

[John]

Hi Jimmy,

 

since the Toontrack MIDI mapping is a GM Extended drum mapping, it uses GM Percussion MIDI slots for the extending of the drum articulations.

IOW, you can never insert Percussion instruments into a full drum kit with both drum and percussion MIDI mapping intact.

Even if you could, I wouldn’t say the CPU consumption would be lower than if you use two separate instances and unload instruments/articulations you don’t intend to use.

If you do add instruments from the Latin Percussion EZX into a drum kit, they will not automatically play back LP EZX MIDI correctly by Default, since the plugin will try to find free slots in the MIDI layout.

You can change the MIDI notes in the MIDI Mapping Propert Box but this will change the actual note number.
Most of the time, you would probably be better off going to the MIDI In/E-drums page and click ‘Use Preset’ then modify the Default Preset.

This will then only modify the incoming MIDI from your keyboard so you can map 2 adjacent notes to trigger 2 articulations that have a great space between them in the actual layout. When you create a custom MIDI In Preset, you won’t disrupt the actual layout so you may still use the Toontrack MIDI in the Browser.

Does this make sense to you?

 

BR,

John

John Rammelt - Toontrack
Technical Advisor

[Brooks H]

If it doesn’t already work this way (I don’t own Latin Percussion), I wish grooves were a little “smarter”. For example, MIDI from Latin Percussion Bongos would automatically assign to Orchestral Percussion Bongos if added while Orchestral Percussion II was loaded.

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