cropotkinI’ve been doing a deep dive into snare brush swirl articulations in Jazz Sessions SDX.
I have noticed that the In Trigger and Out Trigger articulations have something like the following behavior, which is somewhat similar, but not totally similar, to FutureHit.
Short to medium duration notes: the swirl begins to sound on the MIDI Note Off. The speed of the swirl is controlled by the length of the note.
Long duration notes: the swirl is the slowest swirl possible, but starts to play some time after MIDI Note Off, depending on the duration of the note.
I was wondering if there is some official documentation of this behavior that I can examine to fully understand everything to do with the swirl capabilities.
For instance, how are the In Trigger and Out Trigger articulations tied to the In Swirl and Out Swirl articulations? Are their any properties that control this behavior?
Kind regards
Graham
ShootieHopefully someone will correct me if I’m wrong.
Swirls cannot be performed correctly from a Midi Controller. So using the Trigger in/out would just be a lot of extra work to simply select the articulation you want.
All trigger in/out does is allow a CC value to select an articulation of the instrument you’re playing on. So you simply placing the diamonds on which articulation you want instead of using Trigger in/out will be a streamlined workflow.
I did some of my own testing and wrote this. My conclusion is below. If any onlookers have any constructive feedback about it I’d love to hear it.
“When it comes to using brush sounds on ekits or midi controllers there are limitations. Regular brush articulations that are simply striking the instrument work like any other standard drum sound. But swirls or sustaining brush articulations are not intended to be used with edrums. These are more for building songs with the corresponding Toontrack midi or programming beats using the Grid Editor or your DAW’s piano roll. It is possible to simply midi-learn a swirl articulation to a drum pad on your ekit, but these articulations have a duration and speed that cannot be controlled in real time. Simply put, swirl articulations do not yet integrated into live performance. I read some posts in the past of users having complex workarounds to get this to work to some degree, but it is not the intended use of the software (yet), and beyond anything I want to pursue myself. In the past when working with an edrummer that demands a brush swirl articulation, i would use a capable edrum module and it’s sounds for the snare.”
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Damian BluntI’ve been doing a deep dive into snare brush swirl articulations in Jazz Sessions SDX.
I have noticed that the In Trigger and Out Trigger articulations have something like the following behavior, which is somewhat similar, but not totally similar, to FutureHit.
Short to medium duration notes: the swirl begins to sound on the MIDI Note Off. The speed of the swirl is controlled by the length of the note.
Long duration notes: the swirl is the slowest swirl possible, but starts to play some time after MIDI Note Off, depending on the duration of the note.
I was wondering if there is some official documentation of this behavior that I can examine to fully understand everything to do with the swirl capabilities.
For instance, how are the In Trigger and Out Trigger articulations tied to the In Swirl and Out Swirl articulations? Are their any properties that control this behavior?
Kind regards
Graham
Superior Drummer 3 version: 3.4.0
Operating system: Windows 11
The In and Out trigger swirls are Future Hit articulations. They were recorded from 40BPM to 300BPM with mostly two complete circles per bar. Each circle is then cut in half to make the In and Out trigger articulation. With the correct MIDI the full swirls are recreated at different tempos within the range they were recorded at and above.
You are correct that MIDI note off triggers the sample and the duration of the associated MIDI note decides which sample is picked from the different tempos. So if you change the tempo in your project the correct samples are picked from the pool.
If you go to tempos under 40 BPM, which would not be supported, there will be a delay after the MIDI note off before the note is triggered. Which is what you would have probably been experiencing with the long duration notes.
The In and Out Swirl articulations are from the same sample pool but are triggered with MIDI note on. Only one predetermined tempo will play but they are useful of you want to program MIDI in the traditional way.
Future Hit Shakers and Tambourines work in a similar way but have different articulations available on one MIDI note
It’s a little difficult to explain but hopefully this makes some sense!
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