Too low volume in SD3 when using TD-17 as triggers

[Kim Mossige]

As title suggest, I can barely hear my cymbals when playing with TD17KVX. I ahve tried to raise the sensitivity on the drumkit itself, but I feel this is a hacky way to do it, besides it messes up the local playback on the drums.

How do you guys fix this?

Superior Drummer 3 version: 3.3.6
Operating system: Windows 11

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[Mark King]

What is your audio interface?

SD3 with older sdx,s plus Rooms of Hansa and Death & Darkness. Cubase and wavelab current versions. Roland TD50x using all trigger inputs for triggering SD3 only. Windows 11 computer. Various keyboards and outboard gear as well as VST instruments. Acoustic drums: Yamaha 9000 natural wood and Pearl masters. Various snare drums. RME BabyFace Pro FS and Adam A7X monitors

[Kim Mossige]

I’m using TD-17KVX interface when recording

[cydrumzz]

– check Audio level out of module  see if there is separate level for internal kits and actual

audio output.  I do not own a Td17 but had a Td 12 and Td 11.  Now use 3 edrumin units.

– Could raise over all kit volume in Sd3. per kit. not the mixer.

– could go into mixer and put drum lift or compression fx. …. I use multiband comp. set to drum presence on main out.

or a drum lift fx.

– check headphones impedance

– check Sd3 mixer and output settings.

– Sometimes if you turn off or mute certain mixer channels you can cut out freq. or

lower volumes on other parts.   Example turning down condensers and you lose cymbal high end.

Experimenting is key to get what you personally want/like.

I find in general using an audio card interface works better then

using a roland module for audio….. ok for midi not so much for audio.

Best triggering ever with edrumin 10. and Superior Drummer….. highly recommend.

but need a fast computer with as much Ram as possible.

I am running a MSI Titan 8rg 48 gig ram all ssd with Behringer Hd 404 and get under 6ms latency

on DIY kit.  All 3 sensor toms and 4 sensor snare.

Superior Drummer 3 version: 3.3.6
Operating system: Windows 11

• This post was modified 1 year, 1 month ago by cydrumzz.

[Kim Mossige]

Thank you, it’s insightful. However it’s not an imedance issue, because the SD3 VST and the rest of my instruments plays loud when I hit playback on my DAW.. It’s when I use my edrum kit that the hits aren’t recognized unless I hit my cymbals really REALLY hard. I have to hit them so hard to be able to hear much, and even then it’s too low. Trying to play along with my song in the DAW is almost impossible because of how little it recognizes my trigger hits

[cydrumzz]

Does this happen in standalone mode as well or only in DAW.

Superior Drummer 3 version: 3.3.6
Operating system: Windows 11

[Mark King]

Click a cymbal and on the right hand side, there are separate volume controls for all drum parts. I found I had to push the cymbals up quite a bit on the stock library.

SD3 with older sdx,s plus Rooms of Hansa and Death & Darkness. Cubase and wavelab current versions. Roland TD50x using all trigger inputs for triggering SD3 only. Windows 11 computer. Various keyboards and outboard gear as well as VST instruments. Acoustic drums: Yamaha 9000 natural wood and Pearl masters. Various snare drums. RME BabyFace Pro FS and Adam A7X monitors

• This post was modified 1 year, 1 month ago by Mark King.

[travis]

Kim Mossige wrote:

Thank you, it’s insightful. However it’s not an imedance issue, because the SD3 VST and the rest of my instruments plays loud when I hit playback on my DAW.. It’s when I use my edrum kit that the hits aren’t recognized unless I hit my cymbals really REALLY hard. I have to hit them so hard to be able to hear much, and even then it’s too low. Trying to play along with my song in the DAW is almost impossible because of how little it recognizes my trigger hits

I’m using a TD-17 too, and I’m just getting going with SD3, so I have a long way to go to get things dialed in.  But I have tinkered with this sort of stuff a lot in the past.  I would start by tweaking the velocity envelope of each kit piece in SD3.  Instead of a linear curve (straight line)  you want something more like a log curve (upward pointing curve).  Adding 3 points to the velocity curve is plenty for that.  And you don’t have to change your TD-17 settings.  But if you do change your TD-17 settings it’s going to affect your SD3 velocity curves responses.

Also, you might wants to sign up at an e-edrums forum such as vdrums.com, since this one doesn’t seem to me to get great responses on such questions.  Editing the velocity curves for kit pieces should have been the first response to your question.  And who knows why this wasn’t done in SD3 from the getgo as a preset.

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[Kim Mossige]

Ahh yes ofcourse, why didn’t I think of that! By the way, won’t this affect the midi already imprinted on the daw sequence? If I start editing the curve, will my already recorded midi start to play harder?

[Mark King]

yes it will. Did you also look at the module usb audio setting as you can usually boost this (I could on my td30 and now in my td50x). I would then just turn the cymbals volume up as I mentioned earlier.

SD3 with older sdx,s plus Rooms of Hansa and Death & Darkness. Cubase and wavelab current versions. Roland TD50x using all trigger inputs for triggering SD3 only. Windows 11 computer. Various keyboards and outboard gear as well as VST instruments. Acoustic drums: Yamaha 9000 natural wood and Pearl masters. Various snare drums. RME BabyFace Pro FS and Adam A7X monitors

[Kim Mossige]

I tried editing the velocity curve, but it doesn’t do anything. I hit really hard on my drumkit, as hard as I can, still the sound output is really really low.
it works fine in SD3 standalone, but not in DAW. Any more ideas?

[John]

Hi keem85,

where are you editing your velocity curves?
You should be doing it on the MIDI In/E-drums page where you edit the MIDI Preset.
If needed, you can select more than one articulation/cymbal at once and edit the curve for all selected.
When done, save your edits as a new MIDI Preset.

BR,
John

John Rammelt - Toontrack
Technical Advisor

[Mark King]

There is no reason it should be different in your DAW. I use mine standalone and in Cubase and there is no difference. So if you use the exact same preset in standalone and your DAW it is quieter in the DAW? If so you have answered your own question where the problem lies.

SD3 with older sdx,s plus Rooms of Hansa and Death & Darkness. Cubase and wavelab current versions. Roland TD50x using all trigger inputs for triggering SD3 only. Windows 11 computer. Various keyboards and outboard gear as well as VST instruments. Acoustic drums: Yamaha 9000 natural wood and Pearl masters. Various snare drums. RME BabyFace Pro FS and Adam A7X monitors

[Kim Mossige]

John wrote:

Hi keem85,

where are you editing your velocity curves?
You should be doing it on the MIDI In/E-drums page where you edit the MIDI Preset.
If needed, you can select more than one articulation/cymbal at once and edit the curve for all selected.
When done, save your edits as a new MIDI Preset.

BR,
John

I edited the curves on the front page. I will check the settings page and see if that helps

[Kim Mossige]

Mark King wrote:

There is no reason it should be different in your DAW. I use mine standalone and in Cubase and there is no difference. So if you use the exact same preset in standalone and your DAW it is quieter in the DAW? If so you have answered your own question where the problem lies.

I haven’t answered my own question, because it’s more quiet in cubase than on standalone. They’re equally volumed, but sounds way quieter.

• The post has been modified 2 times, last modified 1 year ago by Kim Mossige.

[John]

Kim Mossige wrote:

I edited the curves on the front page. I will check the settings page and see if that helps

BR,
John

John Rammelt - Toontrack
Technical Advisor

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