Tips and Tricks for Yami DTXtreme III/900

[wphall]

Hello- I have EZDrummer II setup with my DTXtreme III/DTX900 kit. It’s working quite nicely and the sounds are a completely different world from the standard module sounds.

But, I’m occasionally getting missed triggers. Mainly, the high hit isn’t triggering very precisely.

Any tips and tricks to get the best setup between these systems?

I’m interfacing via USB to a MacMini with plenty of ram and the correct software. I’ve also selected Yami for the MIDI mapping and I’m using general midi kit in the module.

Thanks.

2015 MacBook Pro: 16/512ssd, EZ2, SD2, SD3

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[John]

Hi,

I am not a Yamaha kit owner but I would start with tweaking the sensitivity in the module and switch the USB cable.

John Rammelt - Toontrack
Technical Advisor

[Greg]

Same drum brain here. I don’t have any hihat issues with EZD2 or other products, but I have had my hat go bad and replaced it a few years ago as it developed dead spots.

Like John mentioned also checked the sensitivity. I don’t like the results I get with wide, and usually use standard or narrow trigger settings.

Intel 13900K, Windows 11 , Cubase Pro 13.0.30, Studio One 6.2.1.64495, 64GB RAM, UA Apollo x4 and UA Apollo X8 Thunderbolt,, 64 sample buffer size, Radeon 570, 42″ 4k monitor

MIDI controller: Roland A-37, Jamstik Studio, MCU Pro + expander
Drum Brain: Yamaha DTX 900, RHH135 hihat, 2 crash and 1 ride cymbal, 4 toms.

[Andrewmsb]

Yea I have some issues with the same module myself. Usually it’s a crash triggered by the hihats. And my other issue is sometimes after a few hits my second cymbal sound is a chick sound. If I go into the midi after recording I can delete all the poly after touch instances and correct it. But now that I am trying this live I wish I could correct it. I wonder if there is a after touch midi setting within the dtx900 somewhere?

[wphall]

@Andrewmsb said:

Yea I have some issues with the same module myself. Usually it’s a crash triggered by the hihats. And my other issue is sometimes after a few hits my second cymbal sound is a chick sound. If I go into the midi after recording I can delete all the poly after touch instances and correct it. But now that I am trying this live I wish I could correct it. I wonder if there is a after touch midi setting within the dtx900 somewhere?

Hey- Thanks for the info. Ok, I thought it was me. I’ve been having a lot of problems with the HH and Cymbals cross triggering. Meaning there’s something strange going on between them. The HH is on a separate stand. Where it gets really strange is when my cymbals get stock on choke, and it takes me closing and reopening the HH to release the stuck choke. Also, my HH sensitivity is terrible- Its basically partly closed or partly open. I’ve double checked things like USB cables, and make sure its working ok with the built in module and all the equipment seems to be fine.

I guess I’ll continue to work on the equipment (instead of playing ) and see if I can fix it.

Thanks.

2015 MacBook Pro: 16/512ssd, EZ2, SD2, SD3

[Andrewmsb]

Yea it sucks. I don’t have too many issues with hh sensitivity. Are you using the Yamaha driver? Asio? I previously had the mapping for bfd3 installed may have fixed some of the hat issues..but I don’t like it as much as ezd2. I’ve had this issue a couple of years kinda pisses me off. I wish they’d just create a map update for ezd2. It’s so much easier to use. Keep me posted and I will if I find a fix..using this live makes me nervous now

[wphall]

Hey- Sorry, I should have mentioned… Yes, I have the latest yamaha drivers installed and am connecting via USB.

Thanks.

2015 MacBook Pro: 16/512ssd, EZ2, SD2, SD3

[Andrewmsb]

Hmm I may have just been ignoring the high hat issue. The cymbal issue bothers me way more though. I suppose maybe in superior we can fix these issues. I The kits just don’t sound the same to me. And there seems to be less options for the drums themselves on all the ezx kits I purchased. It’s too bad..I would even pay extra for the mapping to work correctly. Ezdrummer 2 outs are so much easier to direct than superior 2. And like I said sound better. All the mics and stuff in superior are kinda confusing..I’m not a sound guy!

[wphall]

I’m a past acoustic drummer who has toured and recorded. Thus, I’m a little older at 47. I have to say that the sounds in Superior are mind blowing to me. Its just amazing what what toontrack has done. But in SD, they are raw and its supposed to be like that. EZ has been processed, and again, Toontrack did an amazing job on that too. Its just makes me practically cry when I hear the sounds because it reminds me of the countless hours I used to spend alone with the studio engineer trying to deal with the drums. With EZ/SD, its done in no time at all and it gorgeous.

But, I’m really don’t want to spend time messing around with all the notes and interfaces when it comes to connecting to my kit. I’m sort of bummed because I’m getting the feeling that more time is spent with Roland kits and it works better with these packages. I totally understand this. Roland is so dominant. Thus, I’m thinking of migrating over to roland. But, Roland’s mesh patent expires in 2017, so I think I might wait and see what happens. I’m guessing there’s going to be full blown eKit war in 2017-2018.

2015 MacBook Pro: 16/512ssd, EZ2, SD2, SD3

[Andrewmsb]

Ha..47 your a pup! I too played toured and recorded on acoustics for years. I chose electronics for many reasons. Practice being the most dominant..then when I heard bfd3..VST recording. Then I discovered ezd2 like you I love it. I have experimented forba long time with the the Yamaha module and gear and found i dislike mesh heads. I do however like the E-pro live and have created a Yamaha E-pro live hybrid. Just these few bugs I wish I could fix.

[Greg]

Alesis also have a mesh head kit.

I’ve never had the hihat trigger crashes that I can remember. Are the notes mapped correctly ? Have you confirmed the notes in the brain preset correspond to the Yamaha mapping used?

I’ve created a “Roland preset” on my DTX for greater compatibility with other software, etc.

Intel 13900K, Windows 11 , Cubase Pro 13.0.30, Studio One 6.2.1.64495, 64GB RAM, UA Apollo x4 and UA Apollo X8 Thunderbolt,, 64 sample buffer size, Radeon 570, 42″ 4k monitor

MIDI controller: Roland A-37, Jamstik Studio, MCU Pro + expander
Drum Brain: Yamaha DTX 900, RHH135 hihat, 2 crash and 1 ride cymbal, 4 toms.

[Andrewmsb]

Have you ever had the second cymbal choke when playing it. Especially on the modern kits. Is there a fix..does the DTX 900 have a midi after touch setting do you know? Is it possible to get a copy of that Roland preset?

[wphall]

Andrewmsb – Glad I’m not the oldest Good to know you went with the pearl kit. Are the heads mesh and are you using a Yamaha module? I’ve been thinking of going with a Drum-Tec or a Jobeky. They both rely on a Roland module which jacks the price up quite a bit. I’ve also looked at Pintech, but prefer the style of the others.

@gmontano – I’ve checked the mapping a few times and as far as I can tell, it looks ok. But, I try not to spend too much time on the technical side of all this since I get so little time to play due to a 3 and 5yr old. Are you using a Yamaha module mapped identically like a Roland. If so, how are you handling EZDrummer… are you choosing Roland as the module?

Thanks!

2015 MacBook Pro: 16/512ssd, EZ2, SD2, SD3

[Andrewmsb]

WPHall I use the dtx900 module all the 3 zone cymbals..4 E-pro toms kick & snare. They are a rubber head..but I like them way better than mesh. It’s a softer rubber. I really hope I can get a fix for ezdrummer2 even though I know I’ll eventually have to use superior 2. As I want to add a splash cymbal. I just want to start off using Ezdrummer 2 live as it’s easier for 8 outs with the ur824. BTW I’m 50.

[wphall]

@Andrewmsb said:

WPHall I use the dtx900 module all the 3 zone cymbals..4 E-pro toms kick & snare. They are a rubber head..but I like them way better than mesh. It’s a softer rubber. I really hope I can get a fix for ezdrummer2 even though I know I’ll eventually have to use superior 2. As I want to add a splash cymbal. I just want to start off using Ezdrummer 2 live as it’s easier for 8 outs with the ur824. BTW I’m 50.

Good to know. In case it helps, I’m using a dtx900 with 3 yami 3zone cymbals and I also added a splash using a Pintech single zone splash cymbal. Plugged and played… nothing to it. Does this help?

2015 MacBook Pro: 16/512ssd, EZ2, SD2, SD3

[Andrewmsb]

I am gonna try a splash on Sat. I had to move my studio kit out to where my band rehearses so my new studio kit has the old DTX IV module with not enough inputs to try that. I have been using a stereo pcy65s so I’ll try a 65 and see what happens. If we could get those Roland settings I think it would greatly help. I own bfd3 as well and with the update they have for Yamaha everything functions 100%. I just wish it would in ezd2. As I like it a helluva lot better.

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