ian nickus The auditioning process for ezplayer is horrible. The plugin can get start and stop messages from the host for a loop that you have dragged over to a track, but not for the audition area?
This adds so much time to the workflow in ezplayer and superior drummer.
Maybe superior isn’t getting start and stop messages and it would be more difficult to implement than in ezplayer, but there is no excuse not to implement this in ezplayer.
Please someone tell me that i am doing something wrong and this function is available by now.
Jym Featplaying midi from a track doesn’t involve any sort of clocking : SD is merely used as a dedicated sampler reacting to note events — EZplayer will not listen to note events from your DAW’s tracks : EZplayer is no sampler (see section 3.2)
groove browsing, on the contrary, needs clock events ; EZp, EZd and SD are all supposed to handle tempo events ; are you implying that EZp doesn’t honor them when the sync button is depressed?
from my experience, EZplayer used to synchronize properly up to version 1.0.4, then something went wrong with 1.0.5, at least when using Logic 8.0.2 ; now it’s out of sync most of the time, even on the first bar ; it actually gets the sync signal but doesn’t handle it like it should : this is weird because EZdrummer, when used for browsing, still runs perfectly in sync, whatever meter or tempo I’d superimpose onto the groove pattern’s own internal meter…
both of us must be doing something wrong!
ian nickus i just want the auditioning in ezplayer to stop when the song stops. It starts over when the song starts again so why not just add a stop message?
Now it just keeps going.
Also the tracks inside ezplayer do go out of sync when you set them to loop so i don’t even bother trying to work out the sync. Once i know which loops i want to use i drag them to the daw.
Johnthe tracks inside ezplayer do go out of sync when you set them to loop so i don’t even bother trying to work out the sync
But they do not lose sync if you have Follow Host Play/Stop and Follow Host Position ticked, right?
When the tracks lose sync in loop, is it the tracks in the Arranger that are looped and the timeline of your host is running or is it the timeline that is looped?
BTW, we have no info on your setup so if you please could fill in your system details in your profile and/or signature.
Best Regards,
John
John Rammelt - Toontrack
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Jym Featgetting out of sync happens to me all the time as well ; and you’re probably confusing XLN audio AD with EZplayer which, unfortunately, has got no “Follow Host Play/Stop” or “Follow Host Position” option : just a “sync” button that doesn’t really sync anything…
but maybe we’re doing something wrong?
in doubt, I installed EZplayer 1.0.5 again, then explored all of my DAW’s internal settings for sending midi clock or midi time code, as well as the way Logic chases midi events when playing looped tracks: no way!
ian nickusit gets out of sync when the arranger has a few bars of the drum part and the loop function is activated. I don’t know if the arrangement gets out of sync if you copy and paste twenty or thirty phrases, but that is a huge waste of time – if i decide on a midi drum part I can just put it into my daw where i have full editing capabilities, and it will loop properly as well. EDIT – the actual daw is not looped. Also i want to point out that it takes a while to go out of sync, like twenty bars until it is noticeably off.
I thought i might beat this problem until the stop message is incorporated into the audition window, which i hope is very soon, by putting some various loops on different tracks in the arranger and then soloing them to try out parts. Except for the fact that the loop function goes out of sync, so then maybe you have to paste a bunch of the phrase in which is ridiculous. Or just drag the phrase into the daw, at which point you can’t audition anything without muting the daw midi track.
and the sync button does force a restart of both the audition AND the arrangement (in the plugin) i think. But only when you have taken the time to put something in the arrangement track will it STOP as well. So basically you have to keep jumping back and forth between the daw and the plugin, muting the daw or plugin as necessary to audition new or alternate parts.
ScottI’m not seeing this behavior on my system (Vista 32-bit/Reaper 3.6.3/EZplayer 1.0.5/S2.2.2) or maybe I’m not following your workflow.
My test:
– In Reaper I created 4 tempo changes in the timeline (from 95BPM to 140BPM) and turned on the metronome. Tempo changes were setup randomly in the timeline (in the middle of bars). The tempo changes in the timeline in Reaper were set up for about 30 measures to check for tempo syncing over time.
– I loaded S2 and EZplayer and set them up for proper communication. I set the Sync button in EZplayer to ‘on’ (it’s on anyways by default) and the ‘Respect tempo of MIDI file’ (small metronome next to browser play button) turned off.
– I selected a MIDI groove in EZplayer to audition and pressed ‘play’ in Reaper and hit the browser ‘play’ button in EZplayer.
The result was that the playback of the EZplayer groove being auditioned synced perfectly with the tempo changes in Reaper and didn’t drift at all.
I then:
– Kept the tempo changed in Reaper the same as in the above test.
– Dragged and dropped 5 grooves (10 bars) in EZplayer onto an Arranger track and set the ‘loop’ markers. The ‘Follow host Play/Stop’ and ‘Follow host position’ on the Arranger track were not enabled.
– I hit ‘play’ in Reaper and hit ‘play’ on the EZplayer track.
The result was that the Arranger track in EZplayer synced perfectly with the tempo changes in Reaper.
Scott Sibley - Toontrack
Technical Advisor
ian nickus2scott – when played in the audition panel (with the browser play button) the sync works well, but then when you push stop in reaper while auditioning, the loop keeps playing right? and you have to push the browser play button again to make it stop. There could be a workaround if there was a “learn browser play button” midi function the way there is for the tracks and master play buttons, but there isn’t one. That is the minimum requirement for the next update i would say, to add that function. Ideally however, the browser play button would have a setting for normal mode (which should stop when the daw stops) and freewheel mode, which would allow it to do what it is doing now (ignore stop).
As far as loop goes, if you put 1 or 2 bars in one track of the arranger (in the plugin) and loop it at one tempo, how many bars does it take to go out of sync? It gets noticeable for me at 15 or twenty bars. AND the test you made isn’t useful for this purpose because if ‘Follow host Play/Stop’ isn’t on then the loop keeps playing anyway.
One workaround i just figured out (for the tracks in the arrange section) is to trigger the play button with a midi note, then there is no problem with the track going out of sync. After all the work it takes to do that it makes more sense to just drag the loop into the daw, since you are committing to a loop anyway. ALSO in the arranger you lose the name of the loop since it is reduced to “variation 3” or whatever, and if you drag into the daw you can see where the loop came from initially.
All in all there are many reasons the arranger is more trouble than it is worth to me but the browser is great, it just needs to be able to stop.
p.s. FYI, i switched to ableton to make sure it wasn’t a protools issue, and the plugin functions exactly the same in both daws.
2JYM feat – there is a follow host play/stop for each track in the arrange area of the plugin. BUT not for the browser. aaargh.
Jym Feathey, the arrange functionalities only make sense when used in Toontrack Solo…
I was talking about the browsing facility only, since when operating a DAW there is no good reason to use anything else ; so, no : I’ve never put anything in those arrange tracks (which are always folded out of the way) ; and there is no need to wait for 15 bars to hear the out of sync problem : the browser is out of sync right from the start, except the very first time I run it ; I’ve tried to engage the sync button before and after the DAW plays a looped midi region ; I’ve tried the metronome button on or off ; I’ve tried adjusting EZplayer’s internal tempo clock ; I’ve tried tempo changes from inside the DAW, and stopping/restarting it as well… no way!
and I’m puzzled this doesn’t happen with EZdrummer ; oh wait : if I tweak EZplayer a lot, then EZdrummer starts getting out of sync just the same — and to get it back in sync, the only way is to reload the project!
by contrast, EZplayer not responding to start/stop messages (like AD does) is but a minor problem…
ian nickushello tech dept. or scott?
Can we get an idea of what the plan is to fix this issue. i.e start and stop the browser audition with the DAW and not have the loop keep playing?
Like i mentioned in my previous post, adding a “learn play button” function to the button for browser audition to the next update would be a good start, and would at least allow for a workaround to the problem.
Thanks
Roguethere are no immediate plans to update EZplayer pro. We are working hard on the 64 bit Mac version at this point and once that is done we will try to look at this and other improvements. Thank you for your patience.
Rogue Marechal - Toontrack
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