Suggestions for dual hi-hat stands

[Visual Drummer]

Is there a way to use two different hi-hat stands with different hi-hats?

I picked up the New Breed by Gary Chester to work on my independence and he recommended a dual hi-hat setup. I saved up and got a second hi-hat plus stand. But now, I’m not sure how to best link that in with SD3.

I found a post but it’s not too helpful as far as solutions go. The poster ended up not using a foot pedal cc with that hi-hat.

(edit: my post was marked as spam so I had to delete the link)

My only solution so far is to:

1. add a hi-hat as an additional instrument
2. use the module to process the second hi-hat to happen on the software side, before it goes to SD3.
3. have the module send a specific note depending on the pedal cc.
4. correlate every articulation to a given note

I don’t see any option to use an edge or tip trigger when adding a hi-hat as a separate instrument, so this is the best way I could figure out to make it work, but it takes a very long time to get set up without being able to just use tip and edge triggers. And plus, if I want to change out the hi-hat, I have to go through the same process all over again. Brutal.

I imagined that SD3 would let me have a secondary pedal on a separate control channel (cc). I could then link the cc up with the second hi-hat just like we normally do, and use the tip and edge trigger articulations like normal.

I would really appreciate any help or suggestions because I’m totally clueless on the best way to do this. I keep telling myself I can’t be the only e-drummer that needs a secondary hi-hat stand in SD3 in order to practice independence

Superior Drummer 3 version: 3.3.7
Operating system: Windows 11

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[pumpkinking]

Check out the post I made below a while ago and see if it helps.  I have gotten this working with two separate pedals (using the ED10 modules) passing separate CC notes for the two hi-hats.  The challenge seemed to be to find enough available midi assignments for all of the articulations I wanted to represent on the two hi-hats.
https://www.toontrack.com/forums/topic/using-a-second-hi-hat-with-superior-drummer-3/

Superior Drummer 3 version: 3.3.7
Operating system: macOS Sonoma (14)

[thedrumdoctor]

I know this is a dumb question for me to ask, but your module definitely has the capability of taking 2 CC pedal inputs? I know the Roland TD-50 has a traditional pair of Jack-inputs for the HH controller setup and can also take another CC HH on MIDI input.

SD3 certainly looks to be able to receive more than 1 HH controller as well. I’m wondering if it’s a module thing in your case because every module’s proprietary software seem to exist in a walled garden when it comes to how CC information is generated to correspond with their internal sounds. The problems occur when sending CC MIDI out. Sure, the option is there, but they don’t want their customers using VSTs. Roland are really weird with how their HH CC information goes out to VSTs. I’ve seen it on screen with a MIDI note monitor and it can be unreliable and messy. They don’t make it easy to go outside of their ecosystem. Especially with those archaic VH ‘plunger’ HH controllers. They make their software and hardware to work within their world, in tune with the way they developed their products.

Whatever module you have, it may be worth investing in a 4-port eDRUMin controller to add to your setup specifically for the extra HH controller. They are quite incredible and go way beyond the confines of a manufacturer’s module. If you want to seriously get the most out of any VST then ditch the manufacturer’s module for eDRUMin controllers. Honestly, I ditched my Roland module once I discovered eDRUMin. In fact, I wouldn’t use a module from any manufacturer designed primarily as an internal sound source these days. They literally couldn’t pay me to. I’ve got 2 eDRUMin controllers and in terms of how they can manipulate MIDI information, SD3 is lagging behind. SD3 gives a max of 6 open/closed HH articulations but they could add another 4 and eDRUMin software would eat them up into the 0-127 scale of CC information!

You may very well be the only e-drummer trying to go through the Gary Chester book though! It was very much a book that peaked in its popularity on the back of Dave Weckl’s Back to Basics video in 1987. He really revived that book for the braver guys – not me though!

thedrumdoctor

[Visual Drummer]

As far as Edrumin’s you’re already speaking to the choir. I use 2x Edrummins daisy-chained.  I love these things and last week I just ordered the Edrummin 10 now that they’re back in stock 🙂

[Visual Drummer]

Thank you for this advice. Looked at your post and will give it a shot

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