Substituting drum pieces into drum presets

[JaredMicah]

Ok so total beginner here—I have only ever used drum presets in Superior Drummer 3 without customizations. Now I’m wanting to take a preset kit, like the “indie room” kit, and sub in some pieces from one of the “Indiependent” kits.

Okay, so I’ve done that. Obviously the snare sub sounds different once added to the “indie room” kit than it did originally in the “indiependent” kit.

So common sense tells me that I’m basically moving that snare into a whole different combo of rooms, mics, EQs and other FX. Is that correct?

I know this sounds ridiculous, but is there a way to cheat that? Like have the pieces all sound like they do in their respective original presets? Or would I have to split up my MIDI triggers on to separate tracks? (for instance, in Reaper, make a track with one drum kit that plays kick and cymbals, and then on another track have a different kit that plays snare and toms, etc.)

Superior Drummer 3 version: 3.3.7
Operating system: macOS Sequoia (15)

• This post was modified 5 months, 3 weeks ago by JaredMicah.

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[pumpkinking]

You can certainly have multiple kits as individual tracks in your DAW and route the midi to capture a subset of each kit (I do this with channel assignments in the edrum module and track-level channel filters in my DAW).  However I typically do this when I want a large chunk of a kit, like all of the cymbals or toms.

To sub in a single piece from another kit and have it retain some or all of its sound you should look at the mic routing and mixer setup in the source kit.  Find out what mixer channels contribute to the overall sound of that piece and look for the effects and bleed settings that seem to contribute (auditioning these on/off or mute/solo helps).  Easier for direct-mic’d pieces like snare and kick but you might be able to get something close even for cymbals on overheads.

Superior Drummer 3 version: 3.3.7
Operating system: macOS Sequoia (15)

[Bear-Faced Cow]

What you can do rather than replace the kit piece entirely, is stack the kit piece on top of the existing kit piece and then mute the ambient channels of the stacked piece and the close mic channels of the original kit piece. Blend to taste. That will give it a bit more similarity with the room you’re in.

jord

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Jordan L. Chilcott

Web Site: https://jordanchilcottmusic.com/

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[Andrew Payne]

Thanks Jord, that is a great suggestion. I substitute pieces all the time and struggle to get the similarity with current room I am using. cheers, Andrew

Superior Drummer 3 version: 3.3.7
Operating system: Windows 10

Dell Precision 7730, i7 6 Core 2.6 GHz, 128GB RAM, 1TB SSD and 3 x 2TB SSD, Windows 11, Cubase Pro 14, SD3 plus a variety of SDX's and EZX's, Orchestral Percussion, EZBASS, RME BabyFace Pro FS and KRK V4 monitors. Modified Yamaha DTX900, DTXPRESS4 and Edrumin10 triggering SD3. Yamaha pads/cymbals and Roland VH-10 HiHat. PDP Maple acoustic kit for live playing.

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[JaredMicah]

So helpful! Thanks to everyone.

[Billy 86]

Bear-Faced Cow wrote:

What you can do rather than replace the kit piece entirely, is stack the kit piece on top of the existing kit piece and then mute the ambient channels of the stacked piece and the close mic channels of the original kit piece. Blend to taste. That will give it a bit more similarity with the room you’re in.

jord

This is a great suggestion for all of us trying to mix kit pieces into a preset kit from other presets. Two thumbs up!

SD3, EZD, EZ Keys 1&2, EZ Bass. Win10, i9/9900, all SSDs, 64g RAM, Cakewalk, Studio One

[Bear-Faced Cow]

I cannot take any credit for this. Kudos goes to Michael S. and the rest of the ToonTrack team for this video:

https://youtu.be/xQFFJLfw5lM?si=mv8QpvEe7x3FTm7R

I can still remember when it came out 7 years ago. It was an instant awakening as to what Superior Drummer could do and confirmed my choice to jump ship from my previous drum library. I have been using this trick in many of my mixes.

Jord

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Jordan L. Chilcott

Web Site: https://jordanchilcottmusic.com/

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[Andrew Payne]

Isn’t that Luke Oswald talking in the video ? He has a lot of great stuff on how to tailor sounds in SD3.

Thanks Jord for sharing the link. cheers, Andrew

Superior Drummer 3 version: 3.3.7
Operating system: Windows 10

Dell Precision 7730, i7 6 Core 2.6 GHz, 128GB RAM, 1TB SSD and 3 x 2TB SSD, Windows 11, Cubase Pro 14, SD3 plus a variety of SDX's and EZX's, Orchestral Percussion, EZBASS, RME BabyFace Pro FS and KRK V4 monitors. Modified Yamaha DTX900, DTXPRESS4 and Edrumin10 triggering SD3. Yamaha pads/cymbals and Roland VH-10 HiHat. PDP Maple acoustic kit for live playing.

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[Bear-Faced Cow]

Regardless of who is talking on it, they get the credit for this rather amazing idea.

Tons of possibilities out of the stacking feature.

jord

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Jordan L. Chilcott

Web Site: https://jordanchilcottmusic.com/

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