Stack (Group Choke)

[Progtronic]

Is there any way to set up stacks, to choke (interrupt) each other? Was hoping for an instrument/stack *group* setting somewhere.

I’ve got three sets of (velocity, articulation switching) stacks. Each representing closed, mid and open hats.

I assumed the groups would interrupt each other, considering the instruments are all coming from the same articulated hat set. This was not an issue with SD2’s stacking of related articulations of the same instrument, and thought it would work the same in SD3.

I’m using (old-school) note-off envelope triggers in the meantime, but would really prefer if it worked like SD2.

Maybe I’m just missing something obvious? I read through the manual and googled around a bunch, but couldn’t find a solution.

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[Olof Westman]

The stacks in SD3 are not capable of reproducing everything the MidiNodes in SD2 could do.

 

>>I assumed the groups would interrupt each other, considering the instruments are all coming from the same articulated hat set.

 

This is one difference. All stacks are individual unrelated articulations even if they come from the same hihat.

 

The only way to get something like that is by making an SD2 preset and loading it in SD3. SD2 cannot use the new SDXs so you can only stack with the old hihats and even then it is a bit fidgety to to use the SD2 preset support to do something that SD3 doesn’t really support.

Olof Westman - Toontrack
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[Progtronic]

Olof Westman wrote:

The stacks in SD3 are not capable of reproducing everything the MidiNodes in SD2 could do…

Thanks for the reply.

And, Wow. OK…

That’s a bit shocking, to be honest.

Guess I’ll have to rely on the note-off envelope thing, for my hat cutoffs (and anything else similarly stack related).

At least that’s still and option. :/

[Progtronic]

Also wanted to add.. that, SD3’s individual stacks won’t interrupt themselves either, unfortunately.

With SD2, I used to set up crash cymbals with mutes (hard velocity = crash, soft = mute).. all on one midi key.  In SD3, articulations just ring over each other.. no matter what. Sort of strange behavior for a drum machine IMO. An option to switch that feature on or off (along with grouping in general) would be great. In most cases you would want them to wash together though.

Beginning to have a bit of buyers remorse.. after such a pricey upgrade. Well, at least from the loss of a few really important features to me.. from SD2. Just about everything else is kinda awesome about SD3 though.

Hoping you guys consider maybe revisiting the grouping/interrupt concept. It would be really useful for a variety of percussion beyond SD3’s native offerings. Particularly.. imported and tweaked world styled traditional drum and percussive instrument samples might really benefit.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Henrik Ekblom]

Progtronic wrote:

I’ve got three sets of (velocity, articulation switching) stacks. Each representing closed, mid and open hats. I assumed the groups would interrupt each other, considering the instruments are all coming from the same articulated hat set.

So if all the stacked sounds was muted when the “main” articulation in the stack was muted, it would solve this issue for you?

Henrik Ekblom - User Experience Designer
Toontrack

[Progtronic]

Henrik Ekblom wrote:

Progtronic wrote:

I’ve got three sets of (velocity, articulation switching) stacks. Each representing closed, mid and open hats. I assumed the groups would interrupt each other, considering the instruments are all coming from the same articulated hat set.

So if all the stacked sounds was muted when the “main” articulation in the stack was muted, it would solve this issue for you?

Sorry for the late reply…

Regarding a “main” articulation stack mute.. I don’t think so.

Due to the fundamental changes of how SD3 now works (in comparison to SD2), there might need to be a function, per stack.. to assign it (the stack) to certain groups. So any stack, can cut-off any other stacks.. assigned to the same group.

I’ll use NI’s Battery 4, as an example:

In Battery 4, under the “Setup” tab > “Voice Groups”; there is an “Excl” > “Off, Group 1-16” pull down menu option, to assign any selected pads.. to any of 16 different (choke) groups.. along with a variety of other group options (assignable sets, voices, fade, mode, etc..).

In SD3, I was hoping to find something like a “Stack/Choke Group” setting.. along with the rest of the “View” > “Boxes”. My first reaction was to open the “Voice and Layer” box. I really thought the choke/group assignment option I was looking for.. might be in there.

Further, I may want to cross-mute something totally unrelated.. like a Crash Cymbal with a Kick Drum (for example). So being able to also assign individual instruments to choke groups, would be a valuable option as well.

So, a general overall grouping function, that covers both stacks and individual instruments (along with a similar variety of options like Battery’s Voice Groups offers).. would be amazing.

[Henrik Ekblom]

Progtronic wrote:

In SD3, I was hoping to find something like a “Stack/Choke Group” setting.. along with the rest of the “View” > “Boxes”. My first reaction was to open the “Voice and Layer” box. I really thought the choke/group assignment option I was looking for.. might be in there.

Thanks for the feedback – the kind of explanation you added makes it easier for us to know what our customers wants.

I’ll add this to our feature request list!

Henrik Ekblom - User Experience Designer
Toontrack

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[RJ]

Have you found a work around or have they implemented a fix? I have a need for this as well. Creating a custom kit made of my own sounds and can’t get the Hi-Hat to work.

[Jack Harris]

This was back in 2018. We are in 2020. Has this been addressed?

Thanks,

Jack

Superior Drummer 3 version: 3.1.7
Operating system: macOS Mojave (10.14)

[krebl]

Henrik Ekblom wrote:

Progtronic wrote:

I’ve got three sets of (velocity, articulation switching) stacks. Each representing closed, mid and open hats. I assumed the groups would interrupt each other, considering the instruments are all coming from the same articulated hat set.

So if all the stacked sounds was muted when the “main” articulation in the stack was muted, it would solve this issue for you?

yes…. of course… this would be the right way.

Is there a timeline available for this feature?

cheers krebl

Superior Drummer 3 version: 3.2.4
Operating system: Windows 10

[Jacob Jabang]

Henrik Ekblom wrote:

Progtronic wrote:

I’ve got three sets of (velocity, articulation switching) stacks. Each representing closed, mid and open hats. I assumed the groups would interrupt each other, considering the instruments are all coming from the same articulated hat set.

So if all the stacked sounds was muted when the “main” articulation in the stack was muted, it would solve this issue for you?

So if all the stacked sounds was muted when the “main” articulation in the stack was muted, it would solve this issue for you?

 

YES HENRIK!! YES!!
Jag säger Jaaa!!
If the stacked samples would choke with the main would be perfect. That would be perfect for stacked open hi hats too.

SD3 10/10 plugin.
Probably the Greatest Plugin ever made.

Superior Drummer 3 version: 3.3.3
Operating system: macOS Mojave (10.14)

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