bpjacobsenWhat causes really slow load times when loading a project? It was not this slow before and now when I just turned on SD3, it took what felt like 2+ minutes for the default project to finish loading. I’m running SD3 with eDrumin (3 ED8 and 1ED4 connected via a USB hub (unpowered) was told by Rob, the ED guy no need for a powered USB hub) on the following mini pc:
Beelink SER5 MAX Mini PC, AMD Ryzen 7 5800H (8C/16T, up to 4.4GHz), 32GB RAM 500GB PCle3.0 SSD, Mini Desktop Computer Support 4K@144Hz/Triple Display/WiFi6/BT5.2/DP+HDMI/Gaming PC
Any suggestions to speed up the load times? I know it’s partially b/c my kit is gigantic with let’s just say all ports on the above 4 ED units being utilized and most are split to us 2 pads per port, other than the snare, and 6 cymbals and hi hat. So I know the large the kit and the more instruments you have setup, the longer it will take to load them but again, it was significantly faster before. Not sure if the unpowered hub setup is what slowed it down? I don’t think the hub has anything to do w/ it as that is just for powering the ED units. The pc loads the presets. so what can I do to make this load faster?
What causes really slow load times when loading a project? It was not this slow before and now when I just turned on SD3, it took what felt like 2+ minutes for the default project to finish loading. I’m running SD3 with eDrumin (3 ED8 and 1ED4 connected via a USB hub (unpowered) was told by Rob, the ED guy no need for a powered USB hub) on the following mini pc:
Beelink SER5 MAX Mini PC, AMD Ryzen 7 5800H (8C/16T, up to 4.4GHz), 32GB RAM 500GB PCle3.0 SSD, Mini Desktop Computer Support 4K@144Hz/Triple Display/WiFi6/BT5.2/DP+HDMI/Gaming PC
Any suggestions to speed up the load times? I know it’s partially b/c my kit is gigantic with let’s just say all ports on the above 4 ED units being utilized and most are split to us 2 pads per port, other than the snare, and 6 cymbals and hi hat. So I know the large the kit and the more instruments you have setup, the longer it will take to load them but again, it was significantly faster before. Not sure if the unpowered hub setup is what slowed it down? I don’t think the hub has anything to do w/ it as that is just for powering the ED units. The pc loads the presets. so what can I do to make this load faster?
Shen GAnd CPU’s have actually gotten faster over the past 12 years! 😛
passmark says BP’s cpu is about 4 times faster than yours.
https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Xeon+E5645+%40+2.40GHz&id=1252
https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=AMD+Ryzen+7+5800H&id=3907
Not that that site and numbers are perfect, but gets to my point. BP doesn’t need to upgrade and neither do you.
True I’d rather drives be on pcie or nvme than USB, but provided they’re running at at least 10Gbps (USB 3.2 gen 2 (omg naming convention!!!1!)) you get 1GB/s transfer speed, and as I was saying, I rarely see mine get above that speed anyway, so I don’t see the interface being that much of a bottleneck.
SD3 with Fields of Rock, Death and Darkness, Real to Reel, Legacy of Rock, Stories, Hitmaker, Decades, State of the Art, Stockholm, Jazz Sessions, Hansa, Rock Foundry, Area 33 (in order of preference). Plus a few older SDX's and EZX's.
Into: Reaper with Ryzen 5700x, 32GB RAM and assorted SSD's.
Through: Focusrite Scarlett 6i6 Gen2 USB Audio Interface
From: eDRUMin 10 + eDRUMin 8 with assorted Roland and Yamaha pads.
drumjack52And CPU’s have actually gotten faster over the past 12 years! 😛
passmark says BP’s cpu is about 4 times faster than yours.
https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Xeon+E5645+%40+2.40GHz&id=1252
https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=AMD+Ryzen+7+5800H&id=3907
Not that that site and numbers are perfect, but gets to my point. BP doesn’t need to upgrade and neither do you.
True I’d rather drives be on pcie or nvme than USB, but provided they’re running at at least 10Gbps (USB 3.2 gen 2 (omg naming convention!!!1!)) you get 1GB/s transfer speed, and as I was saying, I rarely see mine get above that speed anyway, so I don’t see the interface being that much of a bottleneck.
Try again – my cpu’s are 3.46 GHz hex core not 2.4 GHz. Cpu speed doesn’t have anything to do with program load times. Don’t know where you get the ‘4 times faster than mine’ thing.
Jack
aka musicman691 on other forums
Superior Drummer 3.4.1
Area 33 1.0.0
Death and Darkness 1.0.1
PT 2021.6
OSX 10.13.6
3.46 GHz hex core 2012 MacPro 48 gig ram
Shen GWell then, 3 times perhaps. Do you even know what model your CPU is beyond “6 cores and 3.46 GHz”? I don’t understand why you think something so old is the fastest thing in the world and you say
I just looked up your computer and I seriously doubt you’ll get top notch performance out of it with music.
His machine, while small/low power like a laptop, is modern an efficient.
And they’re called benchmarks. They measure performance.
I’m not saying I have all the answers. I’m guessing at some things and theorising from the under-performance I’m seeing from my disk/s that there may be a single threaded decompression step holding it back.
SD3 with Fields of Rock, Death and Darkness, Real to Reel, Legacy of Rock, Stories, Hitmaker, Decades, State of the Art, Stockholm, Jazz Sessions, Hansa, Rock Foundry, Area 33 (in order of preference). Plus a few older SDX's and EZX's.
Into: Reaper with Ryzen 5700x, 32GB RAM and assorted SSD's.
Through: Focusrite Scarlett 6i6 Gen2 USB Audio Interface
From: eDRUMin 10 + eDRUMin 8 with assorted Roland and Yamaha pads.
drumjack52Shen: I never said my computer was the fastest in the world – those are your words. My cpu is an Intel Xeon W3680 Westmere 6 core with a clock speed of 3.46 GHz. I get the feeling the processor might have been swapped out for the current one as Apple doesn’t spec a hex core 3.46GHz cpu in a single processor system.
I’m not going to argue specs with you. I’m just giving my thoughts on what’s wrong with the OP’s machine. Off the shelf Windows machines need a LOT of tweaking to get top performance from them. Been there/done that and that’s why I’m on a Mac for the last few years. That being said I’m done here.
Jack
aka musicman691 on other forums
Superior Drummer 3.4.1
Area 33 1.0.0
Death and Darkness 1.0.1
PT 2021.6
OSX 10.13.6
3.46 GHz hex core 2012 MacPro 48 gig ram
bpjacobsenI saw you made a new what to buy thread bpjacobsen, but I really don’t think your PC is the problem, specs wise. It’s plenty fast. I dare say faster than a 2012 mac pro 😛 barring some of that magic Apple fairy dust.
As an eDrumin fan, I’d also trust what Rob says 😛 Don’t mean to call you out drumjack, you’re helpful and asked some good questions. And tbh, I’m the kind of guy that likes plenty of spare room and 450mA out of 500 makes me uneasy 😀 But I don’t think that has anything to do with bpj’s issues anyway.
It seems you’re knowledgable enough to not be running a bloated prebuilt like drumjack asked, and I half expected to find you were using a $20 bargain SSD you found on ebay or something to begin with.
One thing that stands out is the 38MB/s reading is task manager. That seems too low and makes me think some part of that USB chain may be running at 2.0 speeds. And you say it seems like something new and I feel like I have heard of issues with devices “down versioning” their connection, but don’t have experience with it myself. See if you can get faster speeds perhaps. File copy or CrystalDiskMark etc.
When I built my new PC esp for SD3, a Ryzen 5700x, X570 motherboard, PCIe 4.0 drive etc, I was underwhelmed by the speedup from the old PC. It seems to me that the SD3 software is very single threaded despite the Performance setting for number of CPU cores , judging by the 12.5%ish CPU usage when loading kits and I guess decompressing (from lossless) in to RAM. Perhaps the cores setting helps with a lot of FX?
My Drive Model: Samsung 980 PRO with Heatsink 1TB seems to max out at about 1GB/s when loading kits/bleed. It benchmarks up to 6GB/s sequential, but down to 90MB/s at worst random reads. I also wonder if the nature of many samples being loaded makes it a workload closer to random. Seems like something that could be optimised for though?
Also don’t get cought up on the PCIe 4/5/6 max bandwidth things. Even 5 requires active cooling to maintain performance at those speeds. And fans on a storage device is something I just can’t abide!
I’ve often wondered about SD3 performance characteristics. I’d be happy to try doing different tests for curiosity sake.
Superior Drummer 3 version: 3.3.7
Operating system: Windows 10
the beelink mini pc does have one usb 2 port on it. the rest are 3 but I’m using the usb3 for the audio interface AND the host eDrumin box. I probably will just get a powered USB anyway for the sake of piece of mind. Can only help.
Shen GI never said my computer was the fastest in the world – those are your words.
I wasn’t being literal. I just think that your suggestion that the OP needs to upgrade his PC is wrong. I don’t know if my comparing it to yours offended you? And your assertion that your Mac is in any way faster hardware wise is bizarre. Then I fell for your smart arse “try again” comment, sorry about the snarkyness that followed.
I get you’re trying to help. Same here. I don’t think a new machine is his answer.
Having said that, from your other thread BP, a new bigger faster SSD for that M.2 slot wouldn’t hurt. I’m just thinking there is a bottleneck elsewhere. What kind of speeds does task manager show up to when loading? That 38MB/s is so low. HWiNFO may be easier to get a reading and or you can check USB connection versions.
https://sourceforge.net/projects/hwinfo/
I also spent days looking up windows optimisations and spent hours setting up my previous windows machine, but with the latest I basically just went a clean install (the cleaner LTSC version though), install latest drivers, set power profile to performance and it’s been fine. Perhaps run something like ShutUp10 for a basic clean up.
https://www.oo-software.com/en/shutup10
I feel like a lot of those guides are outdated winXP era kinda stuff.
SD3 with Fields of Rock, Death and Darkness, Real to Reel, Legacy of Rock, Stories, Hitmaker, Decades, State of the Art, Stockholm, Jazz Sessions, Hansa, Rock Foundry, Area 33 (in order of preference). Plus a few older SDX's and EZX's.
Into: Reaper with Ryzen 5700x, 32GB RAM and assorted SSD's.
Through: Focusrite Scarlett 6i6 Gen2 USB Audio Interface
From: eDRUMin 10 + eDRUMin 8 with assorted Roland and Yamaha pads.
bpjacobsenI never said my computer was the fastest in the world – those are your words.
I wasn’t being literal. I just think that your suggestion that the OP needs to upgrade his PC is wrong. I don’t know if my comparing it to yours offended you? And your assertion that your Mac is in any way faster hardware wise is bizarre. Then I fell for your smart arse “try again” comment, sorry about the snarkyness that followed.
I get you’re trying to help. Same here. I don’t think a new machine is his answer.
Having said that, from your other thread BP, a new bigger faster SSD for that M.2 slot wouldn’t hurt. I’m just thinking there is a bottleneck elsewhere. What kind of speeds does task manager show up to when loading? That 38MB/s is so low. HWiNFO may be easier to get a reading and or you can check USB connection versions.
https://sourceforge.net/projects/hwinfo/
I also spent days looking up windows optimisations and spent hours setting up my previous windows machine, but with the latest I basically just went a clean install (the cleaner LTSC version though), install latest drivers, set power profile to performance and it’s been fine. Perhaps run something like ShutUp10 for a basic clean up.
https://www.oo-software.com/en/shutup10
I feel like a lot of those guides are outdated winXP era kinda stuff.
Thanks for all the suggestions. No doubt a 2 tb PCIE SSD would certainly be ideal for this mini pc. Once I start to play around with Reaper a bit I should get a better feel for how it performs and what upgrades might best suit my use.
Shen Ghehe, I think drumjack might enjoy me eating some of my own words…
I was going to clarify my comments re: windows being fine. I do use a regedit trick to get sd3 and reaper.exe to be high priority by default to keep them above background tasks (process lasso was weird for me), but windows does still glitch out in the first few minutes after boot (windoze update check or whatever) so I just expect it and don’t record straight away. I’m also just generally playing as a hobby. If I was doing something critical like proper recording, I would turn off internet, real time protection and updates.
This has been fine for hours long playing without glitches, then last night about an hour in some compatibility telemetry process popped up and chewed on my CPU for a second or 2 causing glitches! Damn you Bill Gates! *shakes fist*
So yeah windows can suck, as much improved as it is nowadays.
If you are still feeling the loading to be especially slow though, I think its worth some investigation with some benchmarks/hwinfo.
Something like that could be going on.
SD3 with Fields of Rock, Death and Darkness, Real to Reel, Legacy of Rock, Stories, Hitmaker, Decades, State of the Art, Stockholm, Jazz Sessions, Hansa, Rock Foundry, Area 33 (in order of preference). Plus a few older SDX's and EZX's.
Into: Reaper with Ryzen 5700x, 32GB RAM and assorted SSD's.
Through: Focusrite Scarlett 6i6 Gen2 USB Audio Interface
From: eDRUMin 10 + eDRUMin 8 with assorted Roland and Yamaha pads.
drumjack52I generally don’t point people to do registry editing unless they really know what they’re doing. It’s easy enough to hose a system when one gets in and muck around in there. I know you used to be able to make a copy of the registry before messing about but don’t know about now.
Jack
aka musicman691 on other forums
Superior Drummer 3.4.1
Area 33 1.0.0
Death and Darkness 1.0.1
PT 2021.6
OSX 10.13.6
3.46 GHz hex core 2012 MacPro 48 gig ram
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