jimmy2thailandI bought and installed SD3 yesterday. Sitting here now with my LPX and SD3 open, wondering how to use them together. Can’t find any workflow suggestions in You Tube on how best to work. within Logic. Was hoping I could run my instrument tracks in Logic , then syncing them to SD3 via follow host and then do all the drums Editing/Mixing/recording in SD3. Till now I’ve been making Multis of all my drumtracks (usually NI Studio Dr.) in LPX via AUX tracks. Was thinking I could play the individual drum parts into the SD3 Grid editor (or maybe there is another recording method?) via my midi controller and then move/quantize them into position. and tempo as needed. Is there anyone out there who would kindly share their workflow method when using SD3/LPX together in this way or for that matter. anyway that would optimise my workflow and let me use the great mixer and grid functions in SD3? When I try to record via keyboard into the grid editor…the record button is greyed out. Could someone explain to me in easy terms (for dummies) how to find a way to record in the SD3 whether by dropping grooves in or playing the various sounds in by hand with my keyboard. If they show up n my grid editor and mixer for editing I can just make a stereo instance in Logic and do everything else in SD3. Or are m thought processes wrong. Have also looked to see the various You tube and Groove 3 tutorials but haven’t found anything which addresses the best way to run SD3 with the LPX DAW. Sure appreciate any help to get up and running.
Thanks! Jim
I use LPX 10.4.2, on a 27" I Mac 3.4 GHz Intel Core i7, 32 GB 1600 MHz DDR3, Apogee Quartett/ Superior Drummer 3 /all the Spectrasonics stuff/ NI Kontakt 5+studio drummer/ Izotope 8+ Neutron 2, Novation Mkii 61 SL keyboard
Mark KingWhy are you using SD3 standalone? Just use it as a plugin inside logic. You can also record midi on a logic track and still use all the processing of SD3. It works just like any other vst plugin.
SD3 with older sdx,s plus Rooms of Hansa and Death & Darkness. Cubase and wavelab current versions. Roland TD50x using all trigger inputs for triggering SD3 only. Windows 11 computer. Various keyboards and outboard gear as well as VST instruments. Acoustic drums: Yamaha 9000 natural wood and Pearl masters. Various snare drums. RME BabyFace Pro FS and Adam A7X monitors
jimmy2thailandHi Mark, I “do” use it by opening the sd3 plug in in Logic. Tried it with a stereo instance, hoping I could avoid the multi routings to the aux’s in Logic multi output mode and just use the grid and song construction in sd3. I know this is probably more of a logic question but I am sure there are tons of logic users who use sd3 and want to learn from their experience, the best way to input my midi drum hits into sd3 while also utilizing the grooves and fills at times as well. It seems to me like it would be cool to work mostly in sd3 mixer/grideditor for most of the drum things and using lpx basically for the instruments and audio tracks. Am I wrong to chose this workflow method? It seems that if I treat sd3 like I do my (for ex.) NI session drummer, and create a multi output template in lpx I would be ignoring all the sd3 benefits of the mixer/grid editor/song creator. I’m gonna try and go into so logic forums and see if anyone has a suggestion as to how best to use sd3 with lpx. Can’t find any help in the tutorials I’ve seen thusfar. Any help appreciated
I use LPX 10.4.2, on a 27" I Mac 3.4 GHz Intel Core i7, 32 GB 1600 MHz DDR3, Apogee Quartett/ Superior Drummer 3 /all the Spectrasonics stuff/ NI Kontakt 5+studio drummer/ Izotope 8+ Neutron 2, Novation Mkii 61 SL keyboard
Henrik EkblomWhen I use SD3 in Logic Pro X, I have the MIDI in SD3, and usually use stereo out, and I do the drum mixing inside SD3. Sometimes I use multi out, if I want to do certain stuff in Logic with the individual instruments, for example use the kick to trigger a side chain for my bass.
You can have SD3 running in Logic Pro X and have the MIDI either on the Instrument Track in Logic, or in the Song Track of SD3.
If you have the MIDI on the Instrument Track in LPX, the easiest way to transfer it into SD3 is to record enable SD3 and press play in Logic. This will record the midi to SD3, and you can then edit it using the Grid Editor, Edit Plays Style, etc.
If the record button in SD3 is disabled, this is probably because you have the Grid Editor opened. When you close it, the record button should be enabled again. Currently you can’t record stuff with the Grid Editor tab opened, but we know that it would be useful to be able to record while having this tab opened, so we will look at this for future updates.
Please post any further questions you may have here!
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Thanked by: Andrew.Brownejimmy2thailandThanks Hendrik!
I appreciate your help very much! I’ve been looking everywhere (you tube, mac lpx forums, sd3 forums, google. Up till now no one and no where else has helped me in setting up a workflow between logic and sd3. I totally love everything about toontracks. The way you have your PM app set up for download, upgrades and authorization is simply the best!!!! Have been buying, upgrading, authorizing with Spectrasonics, NI, Logic, Izotope, etc. for many years and no one else does it as fast and easy as you guys. Have already bought many midi packs and extras including the groove 3 SD3 toutorials. Will be trying to educate myself as I go along. I’m sending you an attachment of my LPX arrange page. This is how I set it up, using 2 software Inst’s which I made trackstacks out of so I could play the various BD, SN, etc. in individually. Inst 1 for the sd3 drum sounds and Inst 2 for the Latin Perc kit. This approach may be wrong. I couldn’t find anywhere explaining how to include the latin kit into whatever SD3 kit I am using so I just made a seperate software track. Is that wrong?? Also, when working this way with the trackstacks I can’t solo or mute the individual BD, SN, HH. et midi tracks. When I hit solo/mute it activates everything. I can however record individually and edit in logic. When I then use the grooves in sd3 I can pull them into the upper “complete” stereo sd3 or latin percussion track and all the instruments are on one stereo track. I can then copy any individual instrs down to the corresponding bd, hh., whatever.. track in logic. Do you have a better way to work? Will be trying the coping over of lpx midi to sd3 tomorrow so I can eventually then working the sd3 song instead of in logic. At any rate I’m on the way to being able to use lpx and sd3 together. Any further help in helping me achieve a basic work template is, as I said greatly appreciated!!!
Jimmy
I use LPX 10.4.2, on a 27" I Mac 3.4 GHz Intel Core i7, 32 GB 1600 MHz DDR3, Apogee Quartett/ Superior Drummer 3 /all the Spectrasonics stuff/ NI Kontakt 5+studio drummer/ Izotope 8+ Neutron 2, Novation Mkii 61 SL keyboard
Henrik EkblomIn your screenshot, only BD is in the group track SD3. SN, HH, Toms, and OH are outside the Track Stack. You can drag those tracks to the SD3 Track Stack if you want them all to be gathered in there. The same goes for the Latin Track Stack.
To use 2 instances of SD3 to have 2 libraries is a fine way to use it, especially if you use lots of instruments from both libraries, and wants to use the presets for the two libraries. On the other hand, if you want to use a just one or a couple of instruments from Latin in SD3 Core Library, you can add those instruments as New Instruments, to make everything gathered in one instance of SD3.
Regarding soloing and muting individual MIDI tracks for a virtual instrument: when you solo one MIDI track, it will solo the instrument – in this case SD3. So it doesn’t matter if you solo the SD, HH, or any other track – they all solo/mute the same instrument. You can, however, solo and mute individual MIDI blocks. For example, select a MIDI block in the HH track and solo that (not the entire channel), and only that will be auditioned. Selecting the MIDI block and then pressing the keyboard key “S” may be the shortcut for this, but it depends on what shortcuts and what language you have in Logic.
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Thanked by: jimmy2thailandjimmy2thailandSo glad to have your input. ‘ll be diving into the sd3 in detail with my sd3 and newly acquired groove 3 tutorials. Great product (the best) and as a long time musician and software/harware user, I have never experienced a company or a team who supports their users like you guys. I’ll give a shout if I may in case I run into any trouble while learning the program.
Thanks Hendrik
I use LPX 10.4.2, on a 27" I Mac 3.4 GHz Intel Core i7, 32 GB 1600 MHz DDR3, Apogee Quartett/ Superior Drummer 3 /all the Spectrasonics stuff/ NI Kontakt 5+studio drummer/ Izotope 8+ Neutron 2, Novation Mkii 61 SL keyboard
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Thanked by: Henrik Ekblomjimmy2thailandHi again,
Saw what you meant and pulled the respective tracks into their track stack folders. Now the whole thing collapses when I toggle the tr. stack triangel to close. Good to use when mixing in the lpx arrange windows to limit the clutter of individual drum/perc tracks there since I’m mixing drums in sd3 anyway. The solo however still doesn’t isolate the one midi track in the track stack even when I click on the region itself ( sn for example) . Logic plays everything from that track stack (in my case the BD too although only the midi track for SN is dark yellow). I guess I can live with this problem, I tried soloing the sn in the sd3 mixer and the bd was silent. Any other way to get around this in logic so I just solo the intended midi data? Tried soloing the midi events in piano roll but…same results. Heard bd as well. I know this is actually a logic problem. Hope I’m not bugging you. ?
I use LPX 10.4.2, on a 27" I Mac 3.4 GHz Intel Core i7, 32 GB 1600 MHz DDR3, Apogee Quartett/ Superior Drummer 3 /all the Spectrasonics stuff/ NI Kontakt 5+studio drummer/ Izotope 8+ Neutron 2, Novation Mkii 61 SL keyboard
Henrik EkblomYour screenshot shows soloed tracks, and not soloed regions. This is a cause of confusion in Logic, but if you take a look at this link, does it make things clearer for you?
https://support.apple.com/kb/PH13041
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Thanked by: jimmy2thailandjimmy2thailandGot it! Thanks again Henrik
jimmy
I use LPX 10.4.2, on a 27" I Mac 3.4 GHz Intel Core i7, 32 GB 1600 MHz DDR3, Apogee Quartett/ Superior Drummer 3 /all the Spectrasonics stuff/ NI Kontakt 5+studio drummer/ Izotope 8+ Neutron 2, Novation Mkii 61 SL keyboard
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Thanked by: Henrik Ekblomjimmy2thailandHi again Hendrik,
I have been working with my Logic/sd3 setup for about a week now. I have many issues and questions. Hope you don’t mind. I will try and solve most of them on my own through trial and error with the help of the groove 3 sd3 tutorial I purchased. I have other issues though that are not covered in the tutorial. I’ll start at the beginning. As we spoke of earlier, my plan was to try and use the sd3 mixer/grid/groove/song creator as my main workplace. I found however that working in the grid editor is (at least up till now until I maybe get the hang of it) much harder than using the piano roll in logic. Especially when it comes to undoing things and moving things around from instr. to instr. When I grab/select a note or notes with the cursor in the sd3 editor and move things up or down with my mouse, they scroll like crazy up and down/left and right and I easily lose my place. When I want to undo and revert to original I can’t seem to find how to do that. I’m working on a medley right now and have done it in the template of (hopefully you can remember how I asked you which logic/sd3 setup is recommended)? a stereo sd3 instance. After inserting various drum overdubs that I do in logic I then, as you suggested put sd3 into record and play them over into the sd3 track which then incorporates them with the many sd3 midi grooves I am using in the track which I select/construct and edit with the tap and find function. After recording the logic overdubs into the track of the sd3 I guess I could then erase them from the logic arrange window Huh? Otherwise if I didn’t mute them they would play twice? Tweaking things kind of work in the sd3 grid editor and although like I said, I am much faster in the the logic piano roll, due to the fact that selected notes in the sd3 editor zip around when I am moving them from instr to instr. and I often lose my place. The undo funtion does’t seem to help. As you know of course control Z applies to logic and not to sd3 and often causes my sd3 to crash. At any rate I have decided that after this project I will try making a multi instr. template in logic and use the sd3 more as a vst in my logic daw. Gonna see if that makes for a better workflow for me. I have asked in many logic and sd3 forums if anyone will share their experiences with me and tell me how they work using sd3 with logic but no one has answered me. I find that kind of weird. Maybe my questions are too basic or stupid and everyone but me has easily figured out the best way to work. I have one more question that has e rather baffeled. In my Logic mixer, after having set up my stereo instance and making a track stack, I have two sd3 tracks coming into the logic mixer. (See attach.). One is SD# (green) and to the right of it BD (rown) which is the first track of my track stack. Both of these control the input of the sd3 into the logic mixer. If I select either one and either solo/mute/ or move the faders up or down it affects the complete drum sound. That means that I have two equal sd3 inputs on my mixer which I have to deal with when eqing or gain staging…whatever. Seems to me like I, as usual, am doing something wrong in my routing or in the setup of my logic arrange window when I made my track stack. Can you understand what I mean and maybe offer a solution? I will include both arrange and track screenshots. Like I said, after this session I will start the new one with a multi inst sd3 instead of a stereo and see if that workflow is more suitable for my work style. At any rate Hendrik….Thanks for wading through my long winded and probably confusing description of my state of affairs. I really do appreciate any help you can give me.
Best regards and again, apologies for my ineptness.
Jim
I use LPX 10.4.2, on a 27" I Mac 3.4 GHz Intel Core i7, 32 GB 1600 MHz DDR3, Apogee Quartett/ Superior Drummer 3 /all the Spectrasonics stuff/ NI Kontakt 5+studio drummer/ Izotope 8+ Neutron 2, Novation Mkii 61 SL keyboard
Henrik EkblomWhen I grab/select a note or notes with the cursor in the sd3 editor and move things up or down with my mouse, they scroll like crazy up and down/left and right and I easily lose my place.
Press and hold shift key to move things vertically, without having them change their timing.
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When I want to undo and revert to original I can’t seem to find how to do that. I’m working on a medley right now and have done it in the template of (hopefully you can remember how I asked you which logic/sd3 setup is recommended)? a stereo sd3 instance.
Edit menu > Undo, or press keyboard keys Alt + Z
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After recording the logic overdubs into the track of the sd3 I guess I could then erase them from the logic arrange window Huh? Otherwise if I didn’t mute them they would play twice?
Yes, either delete them, move them further right on the Logic track, or mute them.
Henrik Ekblom - User Experience Designer
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Henrik EkblomTweaking things kind of work in the sd3 grid editor and although like I said, I am much faster in the the logic piano roll, due to the fact that selected notes in the sd3 editor zip around when I am moving them from instr to instr. and I often lose my place. The undo funtion does’t seem to help.
As you know of course control Z applies to logic and not to sd3 and often causes my sd3 to crash.
All Cmd + key commands are taken by Logic and the operative system. SD3 uses Alt + key
Henrik Ekblom - User Experience Designer
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Henrik EkblomI have one more question that has e rather baffeled. In my Logic mixer, after having set up my stereo instance and making a track stack, I have two sd3 tracks coming into the logic mixer. (See attach.). One is SD# (green) and to the right of it BD (rown) which is the first track of my track stack.
Both of these control the input of the sd3 into the logic mixer. If I select either one and either solo/mute/ or move the faders up or down it affects the complete drum sound. That means that I have two equal sd3 inputs on my mixer which I have to deal with when eqing or gain staging…whatever.
I’m not sure what you want to achieve here, but does it make it easier if you also drag the SD3 Perc (green) into the SD3 Track Stack (green)? By doing this, you’ll route all the audio coming from the two SD3 instances into the same Track Stack, and you can apply effects and control the volume with only one channel.
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jimmy2thailandHi Henrik,
Once again…thanks so much. What I was trying to achieve using the stereo instance and track stacks (one for sd3 and one for the Latin perc.) was to try and create discreet input lanes in my lpx arrange window where I could play in individual drums and then see the seperately in my piano roll. That “did” work as you see when I made the trackstacks and created my individual midi instr..bd/sn/hh etc. My concern was that when I was working in the mixer page that I had a SD3 track and also a BD track side by side which both gave out the same input and affected each other. When I collapse the triangle however th e brown BD track no longer shows in my mixer and I only have the light green SD3 track which I can then gainstage/use neffects on/etc. So I guess thats the way to do it. The other explainations and solutions you provided have been helpful and have solved my problems there. I’m having one more problem in my grid editor however that I hope you can clear up for me. When I press/spacebar/play on my computer and start my host the sd3 grid editor starts playing at 3 quarter beats before 247 (where my cycle is set) . The positions are out of sync between the lxp and the sd3 making it hard to find the corresponding note/event that I am trying to edit in the grid editor. Is there some offset going on in sd3 or in logic? Can you explain this? Could it have something to do with the 1 bar preroll I use when recording in logic??
The sd3 sounds awesome and the more I understand, the more I love it. Thanks Henrik, for your patient assistance in helping me understand this for me rather complex drum daw.
I use LPX 10.4.2, on a 27" I Mac 3.4 GHz Intel Core i7, 32 GB 1600 MHz DDR3, Apogee Quartett/ Superior Drummer 3 /all the Spectrasonics stuff/ NI Kontakt 5+studio drummer/ Izotope 8+ Neutron 2, Novation Mkii 61 SL keyboard
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