SD3 midi mapping from TD50X with digital kit pieces

[Anthony Carpenter]

Hi All,

I’ve been using SD3 for a long time, but the last time I ever had it going from an e-kit properly was my TD17kvx kit. I recently bought a TD50K2 kit with the TD50x and all 3 digital pieces with it. I enabled the TD50x preset for midi. I am connected via a Motu Midi Express and all seems to be working as expected except that numbers of notes from the TD50x, example Snare on centre is actually 6 instead of whatever it should be, I have photos of what the module says they are on for each piece of the kit, most match, that and others do not. Is this expected with the new digital pieces, or is something rotten in Denmark?. I want to add two additional pdx100 toms, 1 BT-1 percussion bar and 1 cy12r-t cymbal. Currently 3 toms work, 3 cymbals and ride work also bass drum, snare and hi-hat. Everything becomes an issue whenever I try the learn function seems broken somehow.

I cannot connect from the USB to my Macbook pro as I am more than 10 feet and USB definitely doesn’t like more than a 10 foot USB cable.

Thanks in advance,

Tony

Superior Drummer 3 version: 3.3.6
Operating system: macOS Ventura (13)

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[drumjack52]

Keep in mind that SD3 is not yet declared compatible with Sonoma. Not much software is to be frank. That being said the first thing I suggest to diagnosing MIDI issues is to grab a MIDI utility program and on a Mac that is snoize (don’t know if that’s Sonoma good or not). Run it standalone and it will tell you exactly what’s coming over the MIDI stream.

Speaking further on Sonoma compatibility are the drivers for the MOTU good to go? Are you working in a daw or standalone? Is your daw compatible with Sonoma? Can you move the MacBook closer to your ekit and lose the MOTU? Another possibility is I’m guessing the MOTU is USB powered – is it getting enough juice? If you’re running the laptop on batteries the USB port from the computer might be a bit low on power.

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Jack
aka musicman691 on other forums
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[Anthony Carpenter]

Hi Jack, Thanks for the reply!,

First of all, sorry, I am on Ventura, not Sonoma :=/. Anyway, the MOTU is actually on mains power, it’s an earlier version of the Express XT USB. Clockworks works ok with it, and I upgraded the firmware flashrom sometime ago then forced OSX to allow it with the newer drivers :). Can’t move the desk closer and setup dictates it be where everything is. Distance is just too far to allow USB. I am running SD3 standalone at the moment and I will be eventually getting into either Studio One Pro 6.5 or Logic Pro X.

I’ll see if there is a way to check what the edrums are sending another way, but as I said, it seems correct on most of the kit. Just the digital bits seem to have caused issues. I am considering doing what someone else said, which is to manually edit the TD50x to match the expected midi notes in the SD3 file.

Cheers,

Tony

Superior Drummer 3 version: 3.3.6
Operating system: macOS Ventura (13)

[Mark King]

I don’t have a problem using the td50x preset on the digital pads. Of course for any additional pads you will have to map them. I just replaced my td30 with a td50k2 as well by the way.

SD3 with older sdx,s plus Rooms of Hansa and Death & Darkness. Cubase and wavelab current versions. Roland TD50x using all trigger inputs for triggering SD3 only. Windows 11 computer. Various keyboards and outboard gear as well as VST instruments. Acoustic drums: Yamaha 9000 natural wood and Pearl masters. Various snare drums. RME BabyFace Pro FS and Adam A7X monitors

[Anthony Carpenter]

After considering the age of my MOTU, I am replacing it with something modern Miditech MIT-00151 Midiface 4×4 Midi Interface. In addition I have a 14foot 9 inch USB cable that proports to be for midi instruments, that is just below the USB  2.0 max length spec. It’s a shielded cable so.. we’ll see. Once I have tried it, hopefully it will do the business, I would prefer to direct connect the TD50x.

[drumjack52]

Anthony: Before you spend any more money have you downloaded and ran snoize so you can see exactly what your ekit is sending? As far as where did I get Sonoma from I thought I saw that at the bottom of your first post.

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Jack
aka musicman691 on other forums
Superior Drummer 3.4.0
Area 33 1.0.0
Death and Darkness 1.0.1
PT 2021.6
OSX 10.13.6
3.46 GHz hex core 2012 MacPro 48 gig ram

[Anthony Carpenter]

Hi Jack, I mistakenly used Sonoma from pull down list on first post, why I apologised :). The replacement of my old Motu is a need, and a lot cheaper than a Motu :). I’ve had intermittent issues with OSX seeing my Motu, so, I’m eliminating that entirely to save myself issues going forward, in other words I should have done it before :). I’ll keep you posted as I test tomorrow and Thursday if needed too.

Tony

Superior Drummer 3 version: 3.3.6
Operating system: macOS Ventura (13)

[drumjack52]

Anthony Carpenter wrote:

Hi Jack, I mistakenly used Sonoma from pull down list on first post, why I apologised :). The replacement of my old Motu is a need, and a lot cheaper than a Motu :). I’ve had intermittent issues with OSX seeing my Motu, so, I’m eliminating that entirely to save myself issues going forward, in other words I should have done it before :). I’ll keep you posted as I test tomorrow and Thursday if needed too.

Tony

Superior Drummer 3 version: 3.3.6
Operating system: macOS Ventura (13)

Thanks for the update. As I wrote before get snoize and run it to see exactly your drum brain is sending out.

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Jack
aka musicman691 on other forums
Superior Drummer 3.4.0
Area 33 1.0.0
Death and Darkness 1.0.1
PT 2021.6
OSX 10.13.6
3.46 GHz hex core 2012 MacPro 48 gig ram

[Anthony Carpenter]

@drumjack52

So, I got the midi tracking software snoize. It shows I am getting exactly what SD3 says it’s getting. This is now with the USB cable direct from the TD50x. I have managed to assign my extra pads, however, it seems that when I learn from one pad, even though NONE are touching etc… it can then imprint the learn on another existing instrument I didn’t pick. I find the whole process a complete and utter PITA!. I am feeling old and curmudgeonly.  After 2 hours of thinking I finally had my pads all working, I am done for the day LOL.  It’s really not intuitive the way it works. A better way would be being able to choose on a right click on each drum piece somehow.

Tony

Superior Drummer 3 version: 3.3.6
Operating system: macOS Ventura (13)

[drumjack52]

Anthony Carpenter wrote:

@drumjack52

So, I got the midi tracking software snoize. It shows I am getting exactly what SD3 says it’s getting. This is now with the USB cable direct from the TD50x. I have managed to assign my extra pads, however, it seems that when I learn from one pad, even though NONE are touching etc… it can then imprint the learn on another existing instrument I didn’t pick. I find the whole process a complete and utter PITA!. I am feeling old and curmudgeonly.  After 2 hours of thinking I finally had my pads all working, I am done for the day LOL.  It’s really not intuitive the way it works. A better way would be being able to choose on a right click on each drum piece somehow.

Tony

Superior Drummer 3 version: 3.3.6
Operating system: macOS Ventura (13)

MIDI mapping on SD3 is a nightmare and not as easy as the manual would have one to believe. Wish I could help more but I can’t. If you find a solution let us all know.

Superior Drummer 3 version: 3.3.6
Operating system: macOS High Sierra (10.13)

Jack
aka musicman691 on other forums
Superior Drummer 3.4.0
Area 33 1.0.0
Death and Darkness 1.0.1
PT 2021.6
OSX 10.13.6
3.46 GHz hex core 2012 MacPro 48 gig ram

[Mark King]

I don’t use learn. I map manually. It’s much easier. I just record the midi in my DAW and write down the notes generated for each component then map manually. I’m not near my computer for a few days otherwise I’d explain better. I’m sure there’s a video on how to do this.

SD3 with older sdx,s plus Rooms of Hansa and Death & Darkness. Cubase and wavelab current versions. Roland TD50x using all trigger inputs for triggering SD3 only. Windows 11 computer. Various keyboards and outboard gear as well as VST instruments. Acoustic drums: Yamaha 9000 natural wood and Pearl masters. Various snare drums. RME BabyFace Pro FS and Adam A7X monitors

[Anthony Carpenter]

Hi All,

just an update. I did get my kit mostly as I want it. The situation with toontrack is less than perfect that’s a fact. That being said, I played for one of my friends last night and he was blown away. Why can’t Roland build this playability into the kit.. for the price.

cheers, and thanks,

Tony

Superior Drummer 3 version: 3.3.6
Operating system: macOS Ventura (13)

[drumjack52]

Glad you got it figured out.

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Jack
aka musicman691 on other forums
Superior Drummer 3.4.0
Area 33 1.0.0
Death and Darkness 1.0.1
PT 2021.6
OSX 10.13.6
3.46 GHz hex core 2012 MacPro 48 gig ram

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