SD3 Cymbal 5 Missing Crash Option?

[ohnow]

Hello,

I’m new to edrums and VST’s so I’m probably just missing something.  As far as I know, I fully loaded SD3.  I started with the Bob Rock, Rock kit 1.  I changed out cymbals and the snare.  I’m using a TD-50 and running SD3 in Cubase 10.  My 3 crashes and ride are set-up properly.  When I’m trying to set-up cymbal 5, I have selected many articulations in the screen showing a picture of the drum kit, and “crash” is one of them.  When I click on the cymbal 5 pic I hear a crash.  But when in the MIDI setting screen, if I try to filter to cymbal 5 on the left side, there is no cymbal 5 option however, if I show all cymbals, there are cymbal 5’s listed.  When I hit the outer edge of my crash MIDI pad, and look on the right side of the MIDI settings screen, at cymbal 5 options, there is no “crash” so I cannot get a crash sound, just various tip or shank sounds.  Any thoughts on what I’m doing wrong?

Also, I thought I had a crash sound previously.  I realized my drum map was not properly set-up so I worked on it.  I also tried stacking cymbals.  I went back to one cymbal and I tried SD3.1.4 stand alone and still the same thing.

Thanks in advance!

Superior Drummer 3 version: 3.1.4
Operating system: Windows 10

Win 10 Pro, Superior Drummer 3, Metal Foundry, Roland TD-50kv with xtra stuff 🙂 , Cubase Pro 11, Steinberg UR44 Interface, Akai MPK Mini III, Focal Shape 65 monitors

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[John]

Hi,

I can’t reproduce, so I need to know which sounds you have replaced and with what.

When I just load the Bob Rock Kit 1 and switch out the Cymbal 5, I have no problems seeing the Crash 5 ‘Crash’ articulation, whether it’s on the Drums page or the MIDI In/E-drums page, selecting the TD-50 preset.

BR,
John

John Rammelt - Toontrack
Technical Advisor

[ohnow]

Tx for the reply John!  When I open the Bob Rock Heavy kit I also get a crash option with the default crash.

I was originally using the 18″ Istanbul 30th Anniversary/20″ Meinl Byzance Heavy Stack crash.  BTW, choosing that crash showed a picture of a black electronic cymbal instead of the real picture you see when choosing new instruments.

I then tried to stack the 16″ Masterworks Jazz Crash.  Then I tried just the jazz crash.  I’ve attached pics showing the crash option on the drum kit screen but no crash option on the MIDI screen.

Not sure if this matters. . . cymbal 5 on my Roland TD-50 is using the Aux 4 port.  I’m using a MIDI preset I saved previously after I dialed in my snare and hats.

Superior Drummer 3 version: 3.1.4
Operating system: Windows 10

Win 10 Pro, Superior Drummer 3, Metal Foundry, Roland TD-50kv with xtra stuff 🙂 , Cubase Pro 11, Steinberg UR44 Interface, Akai MPK Mini III, Focal Shape 65 monitors

[ohnow]

Hi John,

I’ve tried removing and re-adding the instrument and nothing changed.  Since the Bob R kit works when I bring it up and it uses the 20″ Masterworks Sehhar China, I tried adding that instrument but still there was no crash option.

In the SD3 program, in the picture I attached of the MIDI settings, notes 52, 110 and 111 are all labeled Bow Shank.  The MIDI map from the help menu shows note 52 as cymbal 5 crashed; note 110 is Alias and note 111 matches as Bow Shank.  Listening to MIDI notes 52 & 111, they sound the same to me as Bow Shanks.

I listened to all other cymbal 5 MIDI notes and none were a crash.

Also, SD3 shows notes 54 & 107 as the muted hits but the MIDI help file shows 107 as alias and 54 as the muted hit.

Am I reading these incorrectly or could the cymbal 5 MIDI notes, descriptions and samples be in error.

It’s also strange that trying to filter to cymbal 5 notes on the left side of the MIDI settings screen only has All or cymbals 1-4.  I’ve attached a picture of this.

Thanks again for the reply!

Superior Drummer 3 version: 3.1.4
Operating system: Windows 10

Win 10 Pro, Superior Drummer 3, Metal Foundry, Roland TD-50kv with xtra stuff 🙂 , Cubase Pro 11, Steinberg UR44 Interface, Akai MPK Mini III, Focal Shape 65 monitors

[Hasse FX]

For what I can see in your first picture, the crash articulation is not mapped to a key, which is why you can’t select it in the e-drum map.

[John]

Hi,

 

sorry for the delay.
While I’m not sure what is up with the graphics not getting correctly replaced for you, user Hasse FX is right if I understand you correctly.

You will not see the Crash 5 in the MIDI In/E-drums mapping page if it hasn’t got an assigned note to the Crash articulation.
You probably will be alright with just going to the MIDI Mapping Property Box on the DRUMS page and click the little Menu right next to the unassigned Crash articulation (hover with  you mouse to make it visible) and select ‘Add suggested note:’.

 

BR,

John

John Rammelt - Toontrack
Technical Advisor

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