save as user instrument is messed up, saving different instr than selected

[bpjacobsen]

See attached screenshots. When I right click on a drum and go to user instruments – save as and save the drum, when I go to load it, a different instrument is appearing. This was working fine  until yesterday. Why is this happening and how do I fix?

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[drumjack52]

I’m a little confused – is the second picture what comes up in the kit when you go to load it instead of the regular looking rack tom in pics 3 and 4? Or what? That exclamation point is what I’ve seen in other programs when a graphic file is missing or the program has lost the path to the file you want. I wonder if this is related somehow to the issue you had with renaming user pieces?

Jack
aka musicman691 on other forums
Superior Drummer 3.4.0
Area 33 1.0.0
Death and Darkness 1.0.1
PT 2021.6
OSX 10.13.6
3.46 GHz hex core 2012 MacPro 48 gig ram

[bpjacobsen]

drumjack52 wrote:

I’m a little confused – is the second picture what comes up in the kit when you go to load it instead of the regular looking rack tom in pics 3 and 4? Or what? That exclamation point is what I’ve seen in other programs when a graphic file is missing or the program has lost the path to the file you want. I wonder if this is related somehow to the issue you had with renaming user pieces?

No, nothing to do with renaming. Here is a breakdown of the process and issue:

1. I want to copy one of the drum presets in a project so I right click on one of the pearl masterworks toms – user instruments – save as
2. I save it as Tom – whatever
3. Now I go to add that instrument under user instruments which shows the name correctly as I saved it
4. The graphic shows one of my other instrument presets and that is what loaded (in this case, one of my jam block instruments)

The first time this happened, I saved a tom, but it loaded a kick.

The problem with just loading the toms etc from the library instead of saving as, is that the presets don’t match the sound of the others and it takes a ton more work to try and match them up via the mixer. Even if I use mic routing to set them to one of the proper presets, it does not usually match. Saving as makes it way easier to make the sounds consistent. I’m starting to wonder if there is a limit to how many user instruments can be saved? I would hope not. While I have a fair amount, it’s not really that many. Didn’t note the number of files but it’s prob under 100, maybe a little over 100 if that.

Also, the exclamation on the graphic is because there is no midi map on it by default. That goes away once I assign a midi note to it. Some instruments default a note and some do not.

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[drumjack52]

One way to find out if it’s the number of instruments is to take a few out (say maybe half) and see how things works. That would give you an idea that it’s the number of instruments saved. Then add some back in and repeat. I mentioned the renaming thing wondering if that was part of the issue. Did you have this current problem before going through your renaming process? Messing with one part of the file might have screwed up something unintended.

Another thing to try – can you fix the issue with one preset and if so does it reoccur with that now fixed preset?

Jack
aka musicman691 on other forums
Superior Drummer 3.4.0
Area 33 1.0.0
Death and Darkness 1.0.1
PT 2021.6
OSX 10.13.6
3.46 GHz hex core 2012 MacPro 48 gig ram

[bpjacobsen]

drumjack52 wrote:

One way to find out if it’s the number of instruments is to take a few out (say maybe half) and see how things works. That would give you an idea that it’s the number of instruments saved. Then add some back in and repeat. I mentioned the renaming thing wondering if that was part of the issue. Did you have this current problem before going through your renaming process? Messing with one part of the file might have screwed up something unintended.

Another thing to try – can you fix the issue with one preset and if so does it reoccur with that now fixed preset?

Need to do some more testing, but so far, it is indeed the number of user instruments. I removed about 15-20 out of 130 to another drive, then was able to save a tom as another user instrument and use it. I also confirmed when I put all the others back, that tom still works, but I still need to go back and test to see if the other ones still work. Hopefully it is just a matter of temporarily moving some to another drive until I’m done but this looks like a bug nonetheless. Hopefully I can figure out what the threshold is but I’m thinking based on when this started, it’s around 125 or so

[drumjack52]

Based on your guess of 125 I’m thinking a power of 2 is involved. If so I’d take a leap and say it’s 127 – go over that to 128 and things go bonkers. Is it possible to save to more than 1 location/folder?

Jack
aka musicman691 on other forums
Superior Drummer 3.4.0
Area 33 1.0.0
Death and Darkness 1.0.1
PT 2021.6
OSX 10.13.6
3.46 GHz hex core 2012 MacPro 48 gig ram

[bpjacobsen]

drumjack52 wrote:

Based on your guess of 125 I’m thinking a power of 2 is involved. If so I’d take a leap and say it’s 127 – go over that to 128 and things go bonkers. Is it possible to save to more than 1 location/folder?

You can save them in folders but not in a completely separate directory. I believe you can only set one path. I did confirm though that once you are done, and put the moved user instruments back, they still work fine. It’s just that once you hit that threshold, it stops saving them correctly. very strange.

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[drumjack52]

Strange indeed. Don’t remember exactly what’s what in Windows-land but in  MacWorld if I save something to a new folder in the path set for a plugin’s  presets it will show up in a ‘user subfolder’ of the ‘user folder’. All accessible to whatever program/plugin it was saved for. No new path having to be set in the plugin. There’s so many oddities in SD3 it ain’t funny and I can’t believe TT hasn’t sussed this out or run into it. Makes me think the beta testers aren’t really stressing things as they should.

Jack
aka musicman691 on other forums
Superior Drummer 3.4.0
Area 33 1.0.0
Death and Darkness 1.0.1
PT 2021.6
OSX 10.13.6
3.46 GHz hex core 2012 MacPro 48 gig ram

[bpjacobsen]

Well, hopefully this thread will at least help someone out if anyone else saves a lot of user instruments. For me, I just find it to be so much easier to save a tom as a user instrument so I don’t have to mess with all the presets as much. However, I’m about to start a new thread posing another question around this, so stay tune tracked. LOL

[drumjack52]

bpjacobsen wrote:

Well, hopefully this thread will at least help someone out if anyone else saves a lot of user instruments. For me, I just find it to be so much easier to save a tom as a user instrument so I don’t have to mess with all the presets as much. However, I’m about to start a new thread posing another question around this, so stay tune tracked. LOL

Let us know here what that thread is.

Jack
aka musicman691 on other forums
Superior Drummer 3.4.0
Area 33 1.0.0
Death and Darkness 1.0.1
PT 2021.6
OSX 10.13.6
3.46 GHz hex core 2012 MacPro 48 gig ram

[bpjacobsen]

drumjack52 wrote:

bpjacobsen wrote:

Well, hopefully this thread will at least help someone out if anyone else saves a lot of user instruments. For me, I just find it to be so much easier to save a tom as a user instrument so I don’t have to mess with all the presets as much. However, I’m about to start a new thread posing another question around this, so stay tune tracked. LOL

Let us know here what that thread is.

https://www.toontrack.com/forums/topic/is-there-a-way-to-adjust-panning-on-a-saved-instruments-independently/

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[drumjack52]

Thanks for the pointer – I shall peruse it.

Jack
aka musicman691 on other forums
Superior Drummer 3.4.0
Area 33 1.0.0
Death and Darkness 1.0.1
PT 2021.6
OSX 10.13.6
3.46 GHz hex core 2012 MacPro 48 gig ram

[bpjacobsen]

So another strange thing I noticed. After I finished saving user instruments to update the rest of my recreation mix presets, I noticed that even if I don’t place the toms back into the folder that I had created, they still work. So how are those user instruments able to work if I didn’t even put them back into the folder? They are stored on a different drive in a backup folder, not in any SD3 directory. Wondering if they get hard coded somehow into the project once you add them?

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