Sample Velocity Issues

[Tele' O'Neil]

I don’t know if I’m missing something when it comes to getting real explosive sounds from snare but so far I’ve not been able to get the loud samples when I play the track between 100 & 127 velocity in my midi track. All the snares in SD3 are lifeless & lame sounding & I don’t know what to do to get them to produce an aggressive sound. To put it mildly “They Suck”! Sorry Toontrack but I don’t know what else I can say to describe it. If anyone can help I’d really appreciate it.

I have SD3 with the following libraries installed. Even the kits from EZdrummer 2 don’t do it for me.

Music City, Allaire, Avatar, Rock Warehouse, Hit Factory, C&V & regardless of what sample set I use there doesn’t seem to be any sample set that provides the results I’m looking for.

PS.

I don’t play Metal but even in some old Classic rock songs such as Born to Be Wild or Do Wah Diddy the snare sounds very weak even if I turn the midi notes to maximum velocity values I don’t hear any difference in the sound, only a tad louder.

 

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• This post was modified 6 years, 8 months ago by Tele' O'Neil.

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[John]

Hi,

 

could you please provide some audio examples of what you mean? Have you gone through the Presets in SD3?

BR,

John

John Rammelt - Toontrack
Technical Advisor

[Mark King]

I don’t find the same and using rim shots can give a real crack. Also stacking the snares makes a difference. The sounds are raw and exactly how a snare sounds. You need to look at the presets to see what can be done.

SD3 with older sdx,s plus Rooms of Hansa and Death & Darkness. Cubase and wavelab current versions. Roland TD50x using all trigger inputs for triggering SD3 only. Windows 11 computer. Various keyboards and outboard gear as well as VST instruments. Acoustic drums: Yamaha 9000 natural wood and Pearl masters. Various snare drums. RME BabyFace Pro FS and Adam A7X monitors

[Antinet]

I’ve had this exact same issue coming out of midi files created in Ableton’s create midi from audio function. I’m doing this for kick and snare replace on some old tracks. Ableton does a decent job of detection, but the velocity data is not great, and editing it is the worst, and one reason I wish someone could tell me an alternative VST for midi sequencing or notation, since Ableton has not seen fit to create a deeply useable midi editing environment. Regardless, that’s THEIR problem, not Toontrack’s.

Regardless, the snares in particular are not being hit hard enough. I have to dial the midi note velocity to the max, and turn it up in the mixer. This is for how hard the snare is being hit. This is not an issue with the kick, or cymbals.

If there are presets other than that snare list, I haven’t seen it. I guess I will have to look into stacking snares, but is this really how it’s been done in the real world?

If anyone wants to vouch how much better the midi editors in other DAWs are, LMK.

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