Roland TD-27 VH-10 Hi-Hat strange behavior when doing fast pedal closed

[Jorg]

Hi, I recently got the new roland td-27 and I’m...

Hi,

I recently got the new roland td-27 and I’m using it to trigger SD3 standalone, I chose the TD-50 preset in the midi in/edrums setting and everything works fine but the hihat, I’m using the VH-10 and when doing fast chicks the hihat triggers also open notes creating a sound all over the place, like a splash, but the intended chick, I made a couple of videos to demonstrate this, where or to whom can I send them? Slow chicks work ok, still a bit of a strange sound but manageable, the problem is doing 8th note chicks. I’ve checked the midi monitor and it seems to trigger a couple of open edge articulations when doing fast “pedal closed” as it is called in SD3, this issue is more pronounced with the Decades SDX, in the stock SD3 is less apparent.

I remember that in another VST one could change the time in miliseconds to trigger a splash sound to avoid triggering splash sounds when quickly pressing the pedal, I can’t seem to find a setting like this in SD3, I’ve played with all the curve presets but it doesn’t fix the issue, I’ve calibrated the hihat also a couple of times manually using the hihat pedal tab but nothing.

I uploaded the short videos here: https://1drv.ms/f/s!Apbbfhss1Va_gdpC0Vb6I79Qt_J7zg

Superior Drummer 3 version: 3.1.6
Operating system: macOS Catalina (10.15)

Hi,

I recently got the new roland td-27 and I’m using it to trigger SD3 standalone, I chose the TD-50 preset in the midi in/edrums setting and everything works fine but the hihat, I’m using the VH-10 and when doing fast chicks the hihat triggers also open notes creating a sound all over the place, like a splash, but the intended chick, I made a couple of videos to demonstrate this, where or to whom can I send them? Slow chicks work ok, still a bit of a strange sound but manageable, the problem is doing 8th note chicks. I’ve checked the midi monitor and it seems to trigger a couple of open edge articulations when doing fast “pedal closed” as it is called in SD3, this issue is more pronounced with the Decades SDX, in the stock SD3 is less apparent.

I remember that in another VST one could change the time in miliseconds to trigger a splash sound to avoid triggering splash sounds when quickly pressing the pedal, I can’t seem to find a setting like this in SD3, I’ve played with all the curve presets but it doesn’t fix the issue, I’ve calibrated the hihat also a couple of times manually using the hihat pedal tab but nothing.

I uploaded the short videos here: https://1drv.ms/f/s!Apbbfhss1Va_gdpC0Vb6I79Qt_J7zg

Superior Drummer 3 version: 3.1.6
Operating system: macOS Catalina (10.15)

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[fleurys12]

I need the workaround too z… igr.fleury@gmail.com

[fleurys12]

I need the workaround too… igr.fleury@gmail.com

[MintberryCrunch]

fleurys12 wrote:

I need the workaround too z… igr.fleury@gmail.com

I’ll send an email.

 

BTW, this vid shows the fix and the switching of the engines. So by hitting a dedicated pad/zone you can reactivate the original Toontrack hihat engine (in order to be able to play also hihat splashes).

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[DayvanCowboy88]

May I also receive your workaround? Thank you!

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[MintberryCrunch]

DayvanCowboy88 wrote:

May I also receive your workaround? Thank you!

Sure. Get in touch via the FB forum if you don’t want to post your email address here.

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[zenwarlord]

The issue I’m having has to do with getting the weird artifacts when simply drawing in CC4 values.

What you said prompted me to try a few more things.  What I realized was:

I needed to use fewer CC4 events, not the intuitive solution of “smoothing out a curve between peaks and valleys” which would work appropriately in, say,  2 CC’s controlling filter resonance and cutoffs.   IOW that smoothness would reduce audible jumps in the old days, – a result of transitioning from when computers weren’t capable of going at modern data computation rates, to when the resolution became helpful to smooth out the noticeable jumps.

A summary of what I found is this:

1.   The HH pedal articulation happening when there is a CC4 of other than fully open or fully closed is a no-no
2.   I can get away with Open articulations only as above as well.
3.   Closed tip and edge work okay with relative CC4’s.

Anything else but using CC4 like stated above can produce weird ‘fade between’ sounds that are misplaced (the open or splash sound will pop in and out – the SD3 software can’t seem to understand how to ignore the CC4 for unworking artics, or filter the “allowed” resolution/quantity per time of CC4.

Thank you for your work!

I hope the SD3 team hears this and comes up with a fix – From my searches no one else seems to have tried to manually input such curves and had this problem & reported it. (Or maybe the CC’s work in other DAWs – at the moment I’ve got FL Studio open – and it doesn’t  do weird jumps like these hi hat transitions for other things.)

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