Roland TD-25 Postional Sensing issues with Superior Drummer 3 (3.2)

[shedboyxx]

I’ve been working away at this all day with no success.

I have a TD-25k that is triggering Superior Drummer 3.2 (new update)

I’m having a problem with Positional Sensing on the snare pad.

I watched Mike Lukanz’s excellent tutorial on e-drum presets as well as the 3.1 updates video. Searched Toontrack forum with no joy.

Please see the screen shots.

Trying to get the pad to trigger SD3 on the edge, mid center, and center hit articulations but it still only plays center articulations. I am using the Roland TD-25 preset. I’ve set-up the articulations and if i click on the mouse in each zone (in MIDI E-drum settings), I can hear the three articulations. However when I hit the Roland pad anywhere on it I only hear the center articulation. The snare pad is a PDX 100 which has positional sensing. I looked on the Roland Trigger settings menu for the TD 25 and positional sensing is on. I don’t know of any other settings for Positional Sensing

There is something that indirectly points to an issue. The Snare Hit Position stays the same no matter where I hit the pad. Although I don’t know where to adjust that on the TD-25 module that may have something to do with it.

The TD-25 doesn’t have the Positional Sensing display Mike shows in his 3.1 updates video so I can’t check there.

 

Any help is appreciated.

Jim

Superior Drummer 3 version: 3.1.7
Operating system: macOS Mojave (10.14)

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[MintberryCrunch]

Why would you want to use the CC zones (pic1 – there is also not the right CC number set)?

There is the snare zones tab that is related to the “snare trigger” articulation. Did you set that? (resp. the right midi note -> it’s note number 6 by default)

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[shedboyxx]

I think I’m OK there. see screen shot

[Sedge73]

I’ve got the TD25KV and on my snare which should be the same as yours. The snare will only ever detect two zones not three (not counting the Rim).

These two positions generate different midi. If I do a snare roll and move it outwards, I can setup SD3 to change from the Center articulation to Edge or Mid Center (whichever you prefer when setting it up). However, with your screen shot, it looks like you’re going for Center, Mid & Edge and it’ll only ever detect two of those.

I’ve recorded grooves and then if needs be, edited fills/rolls in the editor afterwards. Not ideal I know but it’s a limitation of our E-Kits not SD3.

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[MintberryCrunch]

Tighten your meshhead!

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[Mark King]

As long as your module send variable ps cc then you can get the 3 zones. I don’t know if you can monitor it in the td25 like you can on the td30 but if you can you can see how ps is responding on the module. I had a fabric type he’d that just wouldn’t do ps reliably and then got a drum-tec 2 ply head and ps worked fine.

as mentioned above get the head tight. Ps works much better with a tight head.

also try moving the zones on SD3 and see if you get edge. You can move them in large amounts to prove the zones work. The trick then is to get the spread so it works for you.

SD3 with older sdx,s plus Rooms of Hansa and Death & Darkness. Cubase and wavelab current versions. Roland TD50x using all trigger inputs for triggering SD3 only. Windows 11 computer. Various keyboards and outboard gear as well as VST instruments. Acoustic drums: Yamaha 9000 natural wood and Pearl masters. Various snare drums. RME BabyFace Pro FS and Adam A7X monitors

[shedboyxx]

LOL

Thanks Mintberry and message received. I have tuned the snare up higher but haven’t tested completely.

There does seem to be a difference in which snare I choose (I have SD3 installed after SD2, Musictown USA, Rock Foundry and and then a few EZX packs (Nashville, Twisted Kits with the Pop/Rock assortment from SD2). Trying to use only the SDX snares as articulations seem to diminish on EZX packs.

Superior Drummer 3 version: 3.2.1
Operating system: macOS Mojave (10.14)

[shedboyxx]

Thanks Mark.

I’m trying things out slowly.

One thing I noticed last night is that sonically I’m getting a difference between the very outer edge – and the rest of the head (Edge to Center) but Mid Center doesn’t seem to activate if I monitor i I still don’t see the Articulations change consistently in the Articulations pull down menu. I’m also able to get some kind of results with just leaving things where the SD3 Roland preset is without adjusting/changing anything in Zones. Not completely what I want but is something to enjoy a bit.

Also the  Snare Hit Position seems elusive. I need to play around with that more but so far, no joy.

Jim

Superior Drummer 3 version: 3.2.1
Operating system: macOS Mojave (10.14)

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