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I am using EZBass on an uptempo pop song where the bass part is essentially pedaling away on repeated 8th notes on every chord change. For example a series of 8th notes: CCCCCCCCFFFFFFFFGGGGGGGGCCCC, etc. Aside from the annoying fret buzz (just posted in reply to another forum topic) it seems like TT has some kind of algorithm working in the background so that the repeated notes do not sound so static and unnatural as they do with other bass VIs. This does add realism and depth to a MIDI bass part so nice there. The downside is that the different articulations that the algorithm cycles between noticeably change both the timbre and volume from note to note. Sometimes changing the volume of an individual repeated note as much as 1 dB or more. If that note that is down -1 dB hits with a kick drum that bass note is likely lost in the mix. I looked thoroughly through all the controls and menu options in EZBass and didn’t see anything to minimize the timbre/volume differences in the round-robin repeated note algorithm. I only have the EZBass core library and did try both the Modern and Classic models that come with and no difference/improvement. Yes, I understand that TT is trying to emulate a “real” bass player. I guess for my “real” bass player I would ask for another take with more even/consistent playing (and ask that they resolve the fret/string buzz issue before showing up for the session.) The only workaround I’ve found is to print the track EZBass to audio and then cut/paste audio clips as necessary to repair the track. Just wondering if anyone else has any other workarounds for this. Nice if TT would fix this in a future update. Yes, keep the round-robin concept algorithm, but much more subtle changes between notes.
You did not mention that you’ve checked or are working with Velocity. It can be found in the Midi Values Editor on the Grid Editor Tab just above the Song Track. Do try evening out your velocity if you haven’t yet.
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Yes, I’ve tried working with velocities. That was my first thought as well. Right now all notes are same velocity across the entire track. I experimented with different velocity level and it just made the notes lower in volume and did change the timbre slightly, but did not resolve the the too-noticeable changes between repeated notes. FYI, being an “old school” user I do all the MIDI in the virtual instrument track in my DAW.
Have you tried using a key switch to have it play a single finger, assuming you are using the finger articulations? Alternating fingers will vary in tone and velocity, even in reality.
jord
Hey Jordan, Thanks for the tip. I did find the Keyswitch mapping and experimented with D0. This also led me to checking out CC 64 and CC 67.
Keyswitch D0 (repeater), while not exactly resolving the round-robin different articulation/volume issue 100% did improve it in that it resolved the annoying string/fret buzzing issue. Penciling in a D0 in the DAW virtual instrument track (making the D0 note length the the entire song) along with the bass MIDI notes did not work. The workaround that did work was penciling in a D0 in a DAW MIDI track, making the note length the the entire song and then assigning the MIDI output to the EZB virtual instrument track.
Just to see what would happen, I did try this with a couple of measures of F1 eighth notes in EZBass MIDI composer/grid editor. There were menu items there that helped get the results I was after which were Middle Finger and Index Finger (Index maybe the same as Keyswitch “Repeater”?). Both menu options of those when selected took the place of the D0 keyswitch option. Middle Finger here also worked but sounded essentially the same as Repeater — at least with the repeated 8ths. Downside is I would have to do all the bass MIDI notes in EZB which I would prefer to avoid.
I did try CC64 to see if that would add more “realism” but it seems because durations of the eighth notes are a full 480 ticks CC64 did not make an audible difference. CC67 was really a nice find in that it further seemed to even out volume and timbre differences as well as getting more of the sound I was looking for in the first place — more like a “real bass player.”
Thanks for the tips. Anything else you have to share on this is welcome.
Think like a bassist. Even the most competent bassists are uneven. Amplifiers and compressors often make up for the unevenness in playing. Using a single finger for a particular bass line is just part of their technique to keep an all around tone. When you’re ready to mix, then you think like a mix engineer and make it even as well as holding down the bottom end.
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