drumjack52Okay so we can re-name mixer channels in SD3 and move them around in the mixer. Great. Not-so-great: SD3 still publishes to one’s daw the renamed mixer channel outputs as ‘S3/4’ and NOT ‘snare’ as I renamed it in SD3’s mixer. I’m working with SD3 in ProTools 2021.6. In my drum work I use the multi-channel mixer outputs from SD3 so I can treat the drums like I would real physical drums. I have an aux track to receive the audio from each SD3 output. So for the snare in this example in the aux track input field I select ‘plugin’ and then the instrument I want to get audio from and then the output from said plugin. Instead of seeing ‘snare’ I still see ‘S3/4’ as if nothing was renamed in SD3.
Why wasn’t the ability to see the renamed mixer output from SD3 extended to how one’s daw sees said output? Will we ever get this?
Jack
aka musicman691 on other forums
Superior Drummer 3.4.1
Area 33 1.0.0
Death and Darkness 1.0.1
PT 2021.6
OSX 10.13.6
3.46 GHz hex core 2012 MacPro 48 gig ram
Ken SpenceHi Jack
Very interesting problem. Is the return track from VSTi or a midi return?
you are not doing a bounce right? It is live audio from your daw on the return tracks.
what do you see in the audio configuration of the VST when you enable multiple outputs in the output section . I see outputs 1-2/3-4 etc. not the output names that we assigned in SD3
I am thinking that only in a bounce scenario is the audio being renamed.
Cheers Ken
SD 3.3.6 on Windows 10 | Cubase 11
And a new Apple air laptop OS 15.5
Mark KingI suspect this may be a DAW problem as multiouts in Cubase are the same. I’m guessing once outside sd3 and in the DAW world then it’s controlled by the DAW. Interested to see toontracks reply.
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drumjack52Ken S:
What do you mean by ‘return track’? I have the MIDI in my daw (ProTools) feeding SD3 and recording the individual outputs from the SD3 mixer in PT audio tracks. No bounce.
Mark King:
I too would like to see Toontrack’s reply on this. At least in PT the tracks can be whatever the developer calls the tracks. So it should be able to have the selections in the track input fields be whatever one names/renames the audio output in SD3. PT doesn’t have anything to do with the names that are displayed.
Jack
aka musicman691 on other forums
Superior Drummer 3.4.1
Area 33 1.0.0
Death and Darkness 1.0.1
PT 2021.6
OSX 10.13.6
3.46 GHz hex core 2012 MacPro 48 gig ram
Andrew PayneI have same issue. It took me a long time to work out how to do this consistently as I have lots of user kits that are all set up the same way. I route to multiple buses and then then buses go to multiple outputs in SD3. The key for me has been to set them up all exactly the same way so my multi outs are always the same and IN THE SAME ORDER – eg Out 1/2, Kick, Kick Sub, snare, hats, Tom 1 -5, ride, cymbals, OH, Room, Reverb (parallel) and Comp (parallel) – always using all 16 stereo outs.
I then use a single drum template in my DAW (Cubase) and route each output to Cubase and then via group channels (that also route to a drum bus group channel). I name each output in Cubase (eg S3/4 becomes “Kick”) and name all group channels (eg “Kick grp”).
Once this is set up, I can use the same template in Cubase and don’t have to rename anything. It works for all of my SDX libraries as well as long as each one is set up the same way for buses and multi outs. Complicated but once done it is easy.
If there is no Kick sub in the library I am using then I just don’t route anything to the kick sub bus and kick sub output but still have these in place so the single template works. Have to be very careful not to change order of these output channels in SD3.
Agree it would be easier if the SD3 output naming was transferred across to the DAW.
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JohnHi,
without being a programmer, I am pretty certain this is not a trivial thing to solve since plug-in outputs aren’t something that can be dynamically changed and broadcasted to the DAW. It kind of ties with the question that pops up from time to time if you could be able to decide yourself if you wish the plug-in to have e.g. 14 Mono outputs and 9 Stereo outputs, which would make sense for some with a particular library but no so much for another.
IF you could change things like plug-in output width and names, most likely it would mean that you had to do this system-wide before starting your DAW and then have your DAW re-scan the plug-in. Should you suddenly realise you would like an output to have another name (or another mono output) because you wanted to load an instrument from another library with more/different microphones, it would require quitting your DAW, make the changes, start your DAW again. And when you start another song with a different library and microphones? Or you load a song with a microphone/output setup not matching the currently set one? Sending a Project to a collaborator?
For the greatest flexibility and compatibility between songs/DAWs/etc it’s better practice to have Track or Song Templates for your DAW, together with SD3 Project Templates.
You can name your separate outputs in e.g. Pro Tools and even Rename the plug-in outputs on the separate Aux/Instrument Tracks, even though it’s only on the particular Track that name will be changed.
BR,
John
John Rammelt - Toontrack
Technical Advisor
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Thanked by: Scott Eshleman and Andrew PayneKen SpenceJohn
You are absolutely right.
Having been married to a programmer back in the 90s, I can tell you that it is doable, but at an extreme cost that we all end up paying for in the end.
It would be nice that the DAW companies would all get on the same page and allow for dynamic naming of the multiple outputs from SD3 however, the opinion of the different companies involved is always in play. As an example, the iPhone mail app allows for push notifications, but not the bell simpatico mail app.
Anyway, that is my 2 cents worth
Cheers Ken.
Cheers Ken
SD 3.3.6 on Windows 10 | Cubase 11
And a new Apple air laptop OS 15.5
drumjack52John said:
“You can name your separate outputs in e.g. Pro Tools and even Rename the plug-in outputs on the separate Aux/Instrument Tracks, even though it’s only on the particular Track that name will be changed.”
Yes you can do that BUT you have to remember what you called that output in SD3. That requires either making notes about what’s what or keeping the SD3 gui open in a somewhat minimized fashion so you can do the renaming in your daw which in my case is PT. PT does make it a bit easier with the ability to set up track presets (I don’t use session templates). I have a track preset that contains SD3, all the aux tracks and audio tracks I need with third party plugins on each as needed and routing. It’s the creation from a fresh start that is an issue as well as those who don’t want to or know how to do track presets or templates in their daw.
Jack
aka musicman691 on other forums
Superior Drummer 3.4.1
Area 33 1.0.0
Death and Darkness 1.0.1
PT 2021.6
OSX 10.13.6
3.46 GHz hex core 2012 MacPro 48 gig ram
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