Renamed user instruments still showing old names in SD3

[bpjacobsen]

I wanted to rename all of my user instruments to make it easier to find what I need when adding but when I go to user instruments, it still shows them under the original names even after I rebooted the pc. How do I get this to update to reflect renamed instruments? See attached files showing the library path, what it looks like in the folder and what it looks like in SD3. I tried the rescan user preset option but no change. WTH? Like where is the user instrument list pulling from? I assumed the path shown in my screenshot but as you can see, they don’t match.

• This topic was modified 2 months, 1 week ago by bpjacobsen.
• This topic was modified 2 months, 1 week ago by bpjacobsen.

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[drumjack52]

Can’t be done. There’s a thread around here on just that that goes back a few years with people asking to do just what you want. And it’s been radio silence on that from Toontrack.

Jack
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[bpjacobsen]

drumjack52 wrote:

Can’t be done. There’s a thread around here on just that that goes back a few years with people asking to do just what you want. And it’s been radio silence on that from Toontrack.

But this makes zero sense. Then where is SD3 pulling the names of my user instruments from if it’s not pulling from the specified library path? What is the point of even having the path if renaming the instruments is going to not be reflected in the list? Keep in mind, I am not talking about changing where it says Instrument 1 etc. I’m talking about when I right click on a drum and save as a user instrument. I do this in order to add like other toms or copying the snare so I can use it for my other two snares and change the pitch, so it keeps the same preset sounds/routing/mixing. But I was not using a very good naming convention so like the toms and snares are all over the place instead of together. That is why I went into the folder and renamed my instruments prefixed with the type of drum such as Snare or Tom. then the name of the drum. See attached screenshots. But again, the user instrument list in SD3 is not reflecting the updated instrument names. So how is this possible? where is it pulling the names from if it’s not pulling them from what is in the directory? To further explain, this is not at all the same thing as this thread: https://www.toontrack.com/forums/topic/renaming-x-drums-in-sd-3/

This is about renaming my user instruments that I saved from an existing one. The pics will clearly demo what I am saying.

I found an AI hit where it says you may need to clear SD3 cache to get this to update but of course I can’t find that either. There is no cache folder to delete so I am still at a loss w/ this.

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[drumjack52]

I agree it makes no sense but it is what is is and we can’t rename things and have SD3 see those renames as one types it. BTW there are NO screenshots in your reply. But it’s still the same thing as the other thread. To be specific when you right click you’re not saving an instrument per se but a preset.

Jack
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PT 2021.6
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[bpjacobsen]

drumjack52 wrote:

I agree it makes no sense but it is what is is and we can’t rename things and have SD3 see those renames as one types it. BTW there are NO screenshots in your reply. But it’s still the same thing as the other thread. To be specific when you right click you’re not saving an instrument per se but a preset.

The screenshots were attached in the initial post. So you are saying that if I right click on say, a tom from the preset and click user instruments – save as and save it as DW Tom for example, which shows in the user instrument folder and in the user instrument list, if I change that in the folder to Tom – DW, there is no way for SD3 to update that name to display what I changed it to? Again, I’m aware that instrument 1 and 2 and so forth cannot be changed. But this is not about that piece. It’s about the fact that I changed the instrument name in the folder and it still plays fine, but the instrument list does not reflect the updated name. For something as expensive as SD3, it seems absurd that it can’t display the names of my saved preset instruments the same as what they are in the folder. It just does not compute. So then the question is, where is that name stored that SD3 is displaying? Based on my search in google, AI is saying I should be able to delete the cache folder for SD3 to get the names to re-load from the folder into a new cache  basically, yet I cannot find one. So I’m at a loss. I just can’t comprehend this. So now I have a folder with names of instruments that don’t match what shows in SD3. Absolutely ridiculous.

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[drumjack52]

Not knowing the exact programming SD3 has but I’d take a WAG and say it’s something in the metadata of the preset. You can change the preset name in the folder but the metadata in the preset itself that denotes the preset name to SD3 doesn’t change. Haven’t done serious programming in a while but that’s what I guessing is happening.

Jack
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Superior Drummer 3.4.0
Area 33 1.0.0
Death and Darkness 1.0.1
PT 2021.6
OSX 10.13.6
3.46 GHz hex core 2012 MacPro 48 gig ram

[bpjacobsen]

drumjack52 wrote:

Not knowing the exact programming SD3 has but I’d take a WAG and say it’s something in the metadata of the preset. You can change the preset name in the folder but the metadata in the preset itself that denotes the preset name to SD3 doesn’t change. Haven’t done serious programming in a while but that’s what I guessing is happening.

OK, so the whole idea of deleting a cache folder is bogus? I don’t have any programming knowledge so it’s hard for me to conceptualize this whole caveat. LOL So does this mean if I really want to get this updated, I have to go and re-do all of my saved instruments? Like re-save as diff name? Ugh! that is cruddy.

[drumjack52]

I’ve looked all over my system and can’t find any cache folder related to SD3. Keep in mind that I’m on a Mac and I believe you’re on a Windows machine so the folder structure and location will be different. The only cache-related thing I see with SD3 is in the performance tab on whether to load all into ram or not.

Jack
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Superior Drummer 3.4.0
Area 33 1.0.0
Death and Darkness 1.0.1
PT 2021.6
OSX 10.13.6
3.46 GHz hex core 2012 MacPro 48 gig ram

[bpjacobsen]

wish I had thought to name them in a more organized fashion in the first place. Very frustrating and utterly disappointing for something so basic to not work as any human would expect given the cost of SD3. Oh well, live and learn. hopefully the next release will fix this along with all the other quirks people have been screaming about. Thanks!

[drumjack52]

bpjacobsen wrote:

wish I had thought to name them in a more organized fashion in the first place. Very frustrating and utterly disappointing for something so basic to not work as any human would expect given the cost of SD3. Oh well, live and learn. hopefully the next release will fix this along with all the other quirks people have been screaming about. Thanks!

No problem. As you mentioned there’s a bunch of stuff that needs fixing not just your renaming thing but the other renaming thread mentioned, updating multiple products at once and my personal pet peeve – really poor documentation.

Jack
aka musicman691 on other forums
Superior Drummer 3.4.0
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PT 2021.6
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[John]

Hi,

I can’t speak for what’s in development but this should be on the wish list of things.
Jack is right about the User Instrument name being saved inside the text file that stipulates the properties for the User Instrument.
You can right-click an Instrument and go to Manage in Finder/Explorer to jump directly to the User Instrument presets and if you have e.g. a Kick that you originally named ‘Kick_1’, then want to name it ‘Awesome Kick’, you open the text file and enter/paste the name you wish it to display in SD3 between the very first quotation marks in the beginning of the text file.
It’s at least a work around.
BTW, don’t forget you can organise your User Instrument Presets in folders. SD3 will not display the folders when you use the ‘Add Instrument’ drop-down in the top left but if you know you’re going to add a certain Instrument in a certain slot, it can be helpful, like in my attached screen shot.

BR,
John

John Rammelt - Toontrack
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[bpjacobsen]

John wrote:

Hi,

I can’t speak for what’s in development but this should be on the wish list of things.
Jack is right about the User Instrument name being saved inside the text file that stipulates the properties for the User Instrument.
You can right-click an Instrument and go to Manage in Finder/Explorer to jump directly to the User Instrument presets and if you have e.g. a Kick that you originally named ‘Kick_1’, then want to name it ‘Awesome Kick’, you open the text file and enter/paste the name you wish it to display in SD3 between the very first quotation marks in the beginning of the text file.
It’s at least a work around.
BTW, don’t forget you can organise your User Instrument Presets in folders. SD3 will not display the folders when you use the ‘Add Instrument’ drop-down in the top left but if you know you’re going to add a certain Instrument in a certain slot, it can be helpful, like in my attached screen shot.

BR,
John

Thanks for this info. Very helpful.

[drumjack52]

Thanks John and one thing I’d like to add is to make a copy of the file BEFORE editing so you can go back to what it was beforehand. Or at least make notes as to what you changed. Don’t rely on a restore point to get you back to where you started.

Nice to know I can still suss out a software issue from time to time even at my old age (73).

Jack
aka musicman691 on other forums
Superior Drummer 3.4.0
Area 33 1.0.0
Death and Darkness 1.0.1
PT 2021.6
OSX 10.13.6
3.46 GHz hex core 2012 MacPro 48 gig ram

[bpjacobsen]

Oh, definitely, I always make a copy of files I am editing, juuuuust in case. lol But so far, this is working beautifully. very easy workaround. didn’t even think about opening the file with notepad. thanks again!

[bpjacobsen]

bpjacobsen wrote:

John wrote:

Hi,

I can’t speak for what’s in development but this should be on the wish list of things.
Jack is right about the User Instrument name being saved inside the text file that stipulates the properties for the User Instrument.
You can right-click an Instrument and go to Manage in Finder/Explorer to jump directly to the User Instrument presets and if you have e.g. a Kick that you originally named ‘Kick_1’, then want to name it ‘Awesome Kick’, you open the text file and enter/paste the name you wish it to display in SD3 between the very first quotation marks in the beginning of the text file.
It’s at least a work around.
BTW, don’t forget you can organise your User Instrument Presets in folders. SD3 will not display the folders when you use the ‘Add Instrument’ drop-down in the top left but if you know you’re going to add a certain Instrument in a certain slot, it can be helpful, like in my attached screen shot.

BR,
John

Thanks for this info. Very helpful.

If I put the user instruments into folders now, will it cause the existing assigned instruments to stop working? Or does that just simply give you categories to pull from when going to user instruments? Don’t want to put them into folders now if it will mess up what I have in the slots now. Thanks

[John]

bpjacobsen wrote:

If I put the user instruments into folders now, will it cause the existing assigned instruments to stop working? Or does that just simply give you categories to pull from when going to user instruments? Don’t want to put them into folders now if it will mess up what I have in the slots now. Thanks

Hi,

AFAIK the only thing that prompts SD3 to launch Search for something missing is when the used sample and/or library it came from has been moved or removed. I.e. if you categorise your User Instrument presets or rename them, saved Projects should recall them, since the path to the User Instrument is included in the properties text file.

BR,
John

John Rammelt - Toontrack
Technical Advisor

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