bpjacobsenI have been struggling to decide what my next wishlist SDX pack item should be.
Currently, I have Fields of Rock, Legacy of Rock, and Death & Darkness.
I’m hoping for something a little less processed with more crisp/dry/natural sounding Snares etc. I’m for the most part a classic and alt rock person with some Jazz (Dave Weckyl)I like a bit more of a tight, clean but robust sound. Was leaning towards Hansa since it has the rotos and octobans, though not sure if they are much different from the ones I already have from Fields of Rock? Seems like a good library with a lot of variety but again, open to suggestions. I feel like Legacy is a bit too processed for my tasted but I do like some of the presets. I like the U2 Joshua Tree snare sound. (think bullet the blue sky) D&D more than satisfies the harder side of my taste. Fields of Rock is good but again, a bit over processed on some regards. Just looking for some great snares and some nice presets that are processed but more natural sounding I guess.
I have been struggling to decide what my next wishlist SDX pack item should be.
Currently, I have Fields of Rock, Legacy of Rock, and Death & Darkness.
I’m hoping for something a little less processed with more crisp/dry/natural sounding Snares etc. I’m for the most part a classic and alt rock person with some Jazz (Dave Weckyl)I like a bit more of a tight, clean but robust sound. Was leaning towards Hansa since it has the rotos and octobans, though not sure if they are much different from the ones I already have from Fields of Rock? Seems like a good library with a lot of variety but again, open to suggestions. I feel like Legacy is a bit too processed for my tasted but I do like some of the presets. I like the U2 Joshua Tree snare sound. (think bullet the blue sky) D&D more than satisfies the harder side of my taste. Fields of Rock is good but again, a bit over processed on some regards. Just looking for some great snares and some nice presets that are processed but more natural sounding I guess.
drumjack52Speaking of D&D what happened to the product page? They don’t show the maple monster kit anymore – that’s the one that convinced me to get D&D because it’s a DW kit. The page says 9 kits but only shows 8 – 5 in Darkness and 3 in Death.
Jack
aka musicman691 on other forums
Superior Drummer 3.4.0
Area 33 1.0.0
Death and Darkness 1.0.1
PT 2021.6
OSX 10.13.6
3.46 GHz hex core 2012 MacPro 48 gig ram
Bear-Faced CowDW has a certain sound as does Gretsch as does Yamaha no matter where each is recorded or by whom.
And yet I have at least five libraries containing the same kits and they all sound different. Your statement is totally baseless. Many great drummers will easily attest to the fact the room will influence how a drum sounds. Change the room and you change the sound and considering that we are also talking about recorded drums, the gear will indeed influence the sound.
jord
drumjack52DW has a certain sound as does Gretsch as does Yamaha no matter where each is recorded or by whom.
And yet I have at least five libraries containing the same kits and they all sound different. Your statement is totally baseless. Many great drummers will easily attest to the fact the room will influence how a drum sounds. Change the room and you change the sound and considering that we are also talking about recorded drums, the gear will indeed influence the sound.
jord
Once again I never said that the room doesn’t influence the sound of a kit and don’t know where you got that. There is a signature sound to a particular manufacturer’s kit that is recognizable no matter where it’s recorded. A DW Collector’s series kit will have a signature sound no matter where played as will a Sonor kit etc.
Jack
aka musicman691 on other forums
Superior Drummer 3.4.0
Area 33 1.0.0
Death and Darkness 1.0.1
PT 2021.6
OSX 10.13.6
3.46 GHz hex core 2012 MacPro 48 gig ram
bpjacobsenGuys, I think we all can agree that of course they will sound different depending on the recording/room etc, and also of course each drum has it’s own signature sound in general. No need to carry on what is starting to sound like an argument. Thanks all for the input. Much appreciated.
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BradIs the right room for an argument?
I’ve told you once no, you didn’t
Yes, I did when?
Just now no, you didn’t
Yes, I did no, you didn’t
Excuse me is the five minute argument or the half hour?
Oh, just the five minute
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drumjack52Is the right room for an argument?
I’ve told you once no, you didn’t
Yes, I did when?
Just now no, you didn’t
Yes, I did no, you didn’t
Excuse me is the five minute argument or the half hour?
Oh, just the five minute
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- This post was modified 1 month, 4 weeks ago by Brad.
I don’t see anything in the TOS that precludes arguments as long as it’s kept civil and there’s no personal attacks. And so far I haven’t seen any. If one can’t argue a point then what’s left?
As to getting back on point I went completely different and purchased Area 33 – downloading now. I have the hand percussion tools I need in a library for UVI Falcon.
Jack
aka musicman691 on other forums
Superior Drummer 3.4.0
Area 33 1.0.0
Death and Darkness 1.0.1
PT 2021.6
OSX 10.13.6
3.46 GHz hex core 2012 MacPro 48 gig ram
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Thanked by: Brad and Bear-Faced CowBear-Faced CowThat’s what I love about you, Brad. I always consider you my voice of reason here. I would find you on Facebook and make you my friend, but I don’t think you could stand the torture. 😀
however, I think you will agree with me that an argument is not valid without the proper presentation of facts. Case in point:
I have the same (or extremely similar if not identical) DW Collector kit in four different SDXs.
However, they all sound different in every way, including the so-called signature sound that is purportedly mentioned more than once. In fact, it’s not even a sound, but a characteristic of the drums themselves. This I can agree on to a certain extent, since it is encompassed by the recording, and not the other way around. I think we can agree that attempting to state otherwise would only present a lack of understanding of the Who, what, and where of recording. It would also be, as we would say, in the recording world, a Failure to use your ears. There are many subtle differences within a recording that will make or break these drums within a song. This is one of the primary reasons that BFD failed me in. It’s later years. Jack might have other reasons why BFD failed him and brought him over to Superior Drummer.
allow me to state a more personal example based on my playing with drummers for over a half a century, including one of my childhood friends which we still jam together when I make the occasional trip down to Toronto. Almost every SDX has my favorite Ludwig kit. I can state this with relative authority, considering that it is far easier to list the SDX that I don’t own rather than all the ones I do own. Despite all of these expansions, I will always choose the Ludwig kit recorded by Bob Rock in The Rock Foundry. There is a real reason for this and that is in the capturing of the drums themselves. Even in the same studio, in this case, The Warehouse, two libraries sound different. Yes you might be able to argue that the drums aren’t the identical, but even going beyond that, all it takes is a pair of listening ears. Would we not say that if the opposite were true, wouldn’t every other SDX be nothing more than a waste of money beyond the Core library?
Jord
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Thanked by: BradBear-Faced CowI don’t see anything in the TOS that precludes arguments as long as it’s kept civil and there’s no personal attacks. And so far I haven’t seen any. If one can’t argue a point then what’s left?
Here I go with the “that’s the problem with the younger generation“ routine. They don’t know the difference between two old guys (you only have slightly shy of a decade on me and at this age it doesn’t really mean much) having a discussion and having an argument.
It reminds me of a time that I was working in Windsor 20 years ago. Me and a coworker, my age, who we became good friends, would often go into a room to discuss our ideas. However, everybody outside of the room were taking bets as to who would walk out alive. They couldn’t grasp the fact that we were discussing.
jord
BradI’d say sure! Follow-me on Facebook. When Fender/Presonus shutdown their online forum and moved it to a Facebook group I tried signing up to Meta. 5 minutes after putting all my valid information in I received a notification that my name violated their online community standards… yeah the name I have had for 68 years violated an algorithm some pimply faced kid, who probably doesn’t even know what machine code is, dragged and dropped into a function, prevents me from joining… bitter? nah… I have more time to play music….
Mac Studio M1 Max, RAM 64 GB, 1TB Drive, OSX 12.x/13.x and Windows 10 (VM)
DAW: Studio One Pro (always up to date)
DTX Express III (Extreme triggers), Nektar LX88
OWC Thunderbay Mini (4 X 1TB Sata SSD), Express 4M2 (4 X 2TB M.2 SSD), Envoy Express (1TB M.2 SSD)
Presonus Quantum, Faderport & Faderport 8
Black Lion Sparrow Mk2 A/D, FMR-RNP-RNC, MIDI Xpress 128, BM5A, KRK VXT4, Equator D5
2020 Macbook Pro 16GB RAM, 512GB SSD Audio(mobile rig)
drumjack52I’d say sure! Follow-me on Facebook. When Fender/Presonus shutdown their online forum and moved it to a Facebook group I tried signing up to Meta. 5 minutes after putting all my valid information in I received a notification that my name violated their online community standards… yeah the name I have had for 68 years violated an algorithm some pimply faced kid, who probably doesn’t even know what machine code is, dragged and dropped into a function, prevents me from joining… bitter? nah… I have more time to play music….
Superior Drummer 3 version: 3.3.7
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You got lucky. Most groups that are on FB anymore are strictly positive and anything negative even if it’s true gets deleted. The Plugin Alliance group is like that. Besides I never sign up for any forum that wants my full real name as my user name. I used to be on it years ago until they started throttling conservative viewpoints all those years ago. Sad because it was a great way to keep up with my college buddies.
Jack
aka musicman691 on other forums
Superior Drummer 3.4.0
Area 33 1.0.0
Death and Darkness 1.0.1
PT 2021.6
OSX 10.13.6
3.46 GHz hex core 2012 MacPro 48 gig ram
1
Thanked by: BradbpjacobsenThat’s what I love about you, Brad. I always consider you my voice of reason here. I would find you on Facebook and make you my friend, but I don’t think you could stand the torture. 😀
however, I think you will agree with me that an argument is not valid without the proper presentation of facts. Case in point:
I have the same (or extremely similar if not identical) DW Collector kit in four different SDXs.
- Death & Darkness
- Stories
- The Metal Foundry
- The Progressive Foundry
However, they all sound different in every way, including the so-called signature sound that is purportedly mentioned more than once. In fact, it’s not even a sound, but a characteristic of the drums themselves. This I can agree on to a certain extent, since it is encompassed by the recording, and not the other way around. I think we can agree that attempting to state otherwise would only present a lack of understanding of the Who, what, and where of recording. It would also be, as we would say, in the recording world, a Failure to use your ears. There are many subtle differences within a recording that will make or break these drums within a song. This is one of the primary reasons that BFD failed me in. It’s later years. Jack might have other reasons why BFD failed him and brought him over to Superior Drummer.
allow me to state a more personal example based on my playing with drummers for over a half a century, including one of my childhood friends which we still jam together when I make the occasional trip down to Toronto. Almost every SDX has my favorite Ludwig kit. I can state this with relative authority, considering that it is far easier to list the SDX that I don’t own rather than all the ones I do own. Despite all of these expansions, I will always choose the Ludwig kit recorded by Bob Rock in The Rock Foundry. There is a real reason for this and that is in the capturing of the drums themselves. Even in the same studio, in this case, The Warehouse, two libraries sound different. Yes you might be able to argue that the drums aren’t the identical, but even going beyond that, all it takes is a pair of listening ears. Would we not say that if the opposite were true, wouldn’t every other SDX be nothing more than a waste of money beyond the Core library?
Jord
Very well stated. In fact, over the past few days, I had been adding some default presets via D&D, Legacy of Rock, and Fields of Rock, using essentially the same snares. But they all sound different based on the way they were recorded. Each it’s own sorta unique personality. It also made me realize just how great the quality of those recordings are when you cut out all the affects etc and just hear the sound of each drum. Just delightful. I do enjoy all the presets too, don’t get me wrong as they define different generes and how they recorded and mixed drums as such. But just to have a bunch of kits to play that sound like I’m in my basement with acoustic sound boards. (oh wait, I am in my basement LOL) Amazing how it seems like no matter how many presets I have, I just keeping wanting more. It’s like an addiction.
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