Random opening Kick spikes

[Lee Krueger]

Random opening Kick spikes

Here’s a head scratcher for you…

I’ve been working with EZD2 for a couple years now, been fine till now.

I’m on Windows 10 automatic updates, Reaper up to date, ASIO4ALL v2.14, VLC up to date, M-Audio M-Track(it’s Microsoft driver was updated on 1-18-19), and EZD2 up to date. And since this problem started I’ve made sure everything is updated – and it’s still doing it.

Here’s the scenario –

I tap in a rhythm, EZD2 gives me some sugestions, the first one works but it’s too long so I drag it down to the song editor and trim off a little on the left and a little on the right and it’s perfect. I then add this file to my midi library. Everythings fine until I use that file repeatedly (along with others) to build a song. Seemingly randomly it starts playing the opening kick too loud. Not every pass of the file blocks but just some of them. When I drag the song midi into Reaper the velocities look fine, no spike, but it still does it – even in the DAW. It’s audibly louder and you can see it spike on the VU.

The source file is “Verse 01” – Radio Rock 147 BPM – and my tempo is 130.

This is unacceptable. I need to be able to control this. This kick needs to be consistent. I sure do hope there’s a fix for this.

Thanks,

Lee

FL, USA

 

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[Lee Krueger]

Oh yeah, I’m using the Modern Basic drum kit, but I’ve tried others and they all do it.

Thanks

Lee

[Henrik Ekblom]

Can you save a project in EZdrummer 2 where this occurs (with the MIDI on the song track), and post it here on the forum? It’s hard to know what’s wrong without testing it.

Henrik Ekblom - User Experience Designer
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[Lee Krueger]

Hi Henrik,

Thanks for your reply.

I made a video of what’s happening. If that’s not enough, I’ll prepare a project file, though it will open with a shit ton of errors as I’m sure no one has the same plugins that I do.

Make the video at least 720p in the Youtube settings in the lower right(gear) so you can read it.

https://youtu.be/Y6TVynOmSZ0

• This post was modified 6 years, 3 months ago by Lee Krueger.

[Brad]

Hey Lee,

I think what Henrik is asking, is for you to just save the EZDrummer project. In the upper right hand corner of EZDrummer 2 , you see a “Menu” with a small arrow. Select that, save the EZDrummer project (ezdp extension file), not the Reaper file  and post that file, in a zip format, to the forum. That way it can be played just in EZDrummer 2.

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[Lee Krueger]

Thank you Brad,

Here’s the file…

 

…well I’m trying to post the file, it’s only 144kb, but the website appears to not be posting it. I tried 3 times.  I hit “select file”, find it on my desktop, it appears in the little box, I hit “submit” but it doesn’t post. I’m using Chrome’s latest effort. Weird.

• The post has been modified 4 times, last modified 6 years, 3 months ago by Lee Krueger.

[Brad]

Is it a zip file?

Mac Studio M1 Max, RAM 64 GB, 1TB Drive, OSX 12.x/13.x and Windows 10 (VM)
DAW: Studio One Pro (always up to date)
DTX Express III (Extreme triggers), Nektar LX88
OWC Thunderbay Mini (4 X 1TB Sata SSD), Express 4M2 (4 X 2TB M.2 SSD), Envoy Express (1TB M.2 SSD)
Presonus Quantum, Faderport & Faderport 8
Black Lion Sparrow Mk2 A/D, FMR-RNP-RNC, MIDI Xpress 128, BM5A, KRK VXT4, Equator D5
2020 Macbook Pro 16GB RAM, 512GB SSD Audio(mobile rig)

[Lee Krueger]

.ezdp   That’s the only option for saving project out of standalone EzDrummer2. For mine anyway.

• This post was modified 6 years, 3 months ago by Lee Krueger.

[Brad]

Ah… right click the file, send to > Compressed Zipped ….

Send the zip file I think that might do it.

(I don’t use windows much but I think that’s it)

Mac Studio M1 Max, RAM 64 GB, 1TB Drive, OSX 12.x/13.x and Windows 10 (VM)
DAW: Studio One Pro (always up to date)
DTX Express III (Extreme triggers), Nektar LX88
OWC Thunderbay Mini (4 X 1TB Sata SSD), Express 4M2 (4 X 2TB M.2 SSD), Envoy Express (1TB M.2 SSD)
Presonus Quantum, Faderport & Faderport 8
Black Lion Sparrow Mk2 A/D, FMR-RNP-RNC, MIDI Xpress 128, BM5A, KRK VXT4, Equator D5
2020 Macbook Pro 16GB RAM, 512GB SSD Audio(mobile rig)

• This post was modified 6 years, 3 months ago by Brad.

[Lee Krueger]

OK. Got it. Thanks Brad.

[Lee Krueger]

So after thinking about this for a while, a fix is I could just use the kick in another drum machine plugin, but I shouldn’t have to do that.  Emphasis is good, but only when the Artist wants it, not when the drum machine plugin think’s it’s necessary.

And on a soft song like this, it’s downright obnoxious.

• The post has been modified 4 times, last modified 6 years, 3 months ago by Lee Krueger.

[Brad]

I can hear it in EZDrummer 2. You mind trying this one and listen if it sounds different to you?

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DAW: Studio One Pro (always up to date)
DTX Express III (Extreme triggers), Nektar LX88
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Presonus Quantum, Faderport & Faderport 8
Black Lion Sparrow Mk2 A/D, FMR-RNP-RNC, MIDI Xpress 128, BM5A, KRK VXT4, Equator D5
2020 Macbook Pro 16GB RAM, 512GB SSD Audio(mobile rig)

[Brad]

I think I see it. If you zoom way, way in on the MIDI, you can see there’s a kick on the last beat of the section and the first, beat of the next one. I think that’s what’s making it louder. I think….

Mac Studio M1 Max, RAM 64 GB, 1TB Drive, OSX 12.x/13.x and Windows 10 (VM)
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DTX Express III (Extreme triggers), Nektar LX88
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Presonus Quantum, Faderport & Faderport 8
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2020 Macbook Pro 16GB RAM, 512GB SSD Audio(mobile rig)

[Lee Krueger]

So I built the drum song midi twice, the first one was such a mess that I just deleted it and started over. The second time I made sure that any partial blocks were at the end of sections eg. verse, chorus, solo, etc… I didn’t do that the first time and the emphasis’s were falling all over the place, which was highly disturbing. So the second time enabled me to see that it was in fact intentional emphasis on the opening beat. When you play file in the midi finder it doesn’t do that.

• This post was modified 6 years, 3 months ago by Lee Krueger.

[Brad]

So this is it in Superior 3, you can see the hit on the 1 and 5 (which is 1 of the next section)

Which Library is it from? I know Verse 0, Radio Rock…. I don’t know the libraries.

Mac Studio M1 Max, RAM 64 GB, 1TB Drive, OSX 12.x/13.x and Windows 10 (VM)
DAW: Studio One Pro (always up to date)
DTX Express III (Extreme triggers), Nektar LX88
OWC Thunderbay Mini (4 X 1TB Sata SSD), Express 4M2 (4 X 2TB M.2 SSD), Envoy Express (1TB M.2 SSD)
Presonus Quantum, Faderport & Faderport 8
Black Lion Sparrow Mk2 A/D, FMR-RNP-RNC, MIDI Xpress 128, BM5A, KRK VXT4, Equator D5
2020 Macbook Pro 16GB RAM, 512GB SSD Audio(mobile rig)

• This post was modified 6 years, 3 months ago by Brad.

[Lee Krueger]

OK. Thanks Brad. You Sir are a Genius. So when I open the midi file and zoom in, it’s not there. But when I drag one of the block copies out of the song, it’s there.  So EZD2’s Song Editor is adding that tiny hit to the midi block.  I’d say that’s a bug.

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