Problem with x-drums and panning (reply to John)

[LeanderL]

I replied to my other post, but now everything is gone, the reply isn’t there anymore…replying again does not work either…seems to be a database problem.
Another try:

John,

thank you for your reply! I’ve uploaded my kit. I bought it from a popular producer that creates kits, guitar presets etc. …and want to expand it with additional kit pieces such a 6th tom, some more cymbals (crashes, chinas), a second ride (I am used to it from Guitar Pro and Metal Foundry)…a second hihat because my programming uses variations of open and closed hihats during doublebass so you cannot switch the simulated hihat with the pedal on the fly.

Please download my kit and check out the x-drums on the left side:

instrument 2 uses the channel x-ride
instrument 6 uses the channel x-china 2

Yes, there is a lot of centered bleeding, but I don’t know why…

1) The panning of instrument 2 and 6 works when soloing them in the mixer…but not when you unsolo them.
2) The default chinas and ride have panning…and use the channel OH…my additional instrument 2 and 6 have the same panning and use the same channels…and volume settings…but they do not sound the same. The default chinas in the kit (not x-drums!) are panned to the left and right…and although they have bleeding, they sound on the left and right. The x-drum chinas have the same panning, bleeding and the same settings (OH is selected, not master etc.)…BUT they sound more centered and I don’t know why.

The main ride is panned 76 to the right. I want the x-ride to be panned 76 to the left.
The main chinas are panned 78 to the left and to the right…and I want my x-chinas to be panned 78 to the left and 78 to the right as well.

How can I do that?

Here’s a screenshot:

The default china 1 is panned 78 to the left, the default china 2 is panned 78 to the right. They bleed into the center…
Default china 3 is panned 78 to the the right, the default china 4 is panned 78 to the left…they use the exact same bleeding etc. settings…BUT china 3 only has very slight panning and china 4 is completely centered.

SeelenPuls ~ Poetic metal from Austria: SeelenPuls.at
Grummelgnom ~ Sociocritical metal from the forest: Grummelgnom.at

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[LeanderL]

Any idea? 🙂

SeelenPuls ~ Poetic metal from Austria: SeelenPuls.at
Grummelgnom ~ Sociocritical metal from the forest: Grummelgnom.at

[John]

Sorry, totally missed this, I will have a look tomorrow and get back to you.

BR,
John

John Rammelt - Toontrack
Technical Advisor

[LeanderL]

Thanks, looking forward to your reply.

SeelenPuls ~ Poetic metal from Austria: SeelenPuls.at
Grummelgnom ~ Sociocritical metal from the forest: Grummelgnom.at

[John]

Hi,

as far as I can tell, there’s no error per se with the Drums & Mixer User Preset but more of a question that you need to understand about mixing Instruments between libraries, the Bleed and Routing of Microphones concept more.

The added Instruments 2, 5, 6 and 7 are from another Library, i.e. The Metal Foundry SDX. This Library has, apart from another set of instruments, a different setup; microphones, gear, mixer, etc. There may (likely) be differences in volume between libraries, which you can fix by either changing the Instrument Level in all microphones in the Level Property Box on the DRUMS page or by visiting the Properties pane for a Channel in the Mixer.
E.g. you have the ‘Close’ signal for a Cymbal Instrument routed to its own Mixer Channel but the Bleed is routed through the ‘OH’, ‘AMB Near’ and ‘AMB Far’ Mixer Channels and since the volume of that Cymbal feels higher than the ones from the Main Library (in your case Death SDX), you lower those Bleed levels in the above mentioned Properties pane for those Channels.
Examining the Instrument 2 in your preset, it’s the 22″ Sabian Tomas Haake Custom Power Bell Ride. In the MF SDX, it is recorded in Stereo for the ‘Close’ signal as well as the ‘OH Drummer’ and ‘AMB Far’. That’s why the ‘Close’ signal gets a Stereo Fader in the Mixer, instead of a Mono fader, like the one in the Main Library. You can change it to be routed to the Regular ‘Ride’ Mixer Channel (Mono) if you want to, even if it’s recorded in Stereo.

Checking further, I see that this added Ride for Instrument 2 is the Stereo Reversed version, which you can see by the ‘>

John Rammelt - Toontrack
Technical Advisor

[LeanderL]

Thank you!

I found a YouTube video that shows you can change the panning…e.g. a ride is on the right side (default) and how to pan it to the left.

My workaround is to add the ride, add a new x-oh channel…and do everything there…instead of trying to get it right in the default OH channel with the rest of the OH instruments.

I don’t know if there is a better workaround, but mine worked.

SeelenPuls ~ Poetic metal from Austria: SeelenPuls.at
Grummelgnom ~ Sociocritical metal from the forest: Grummelgnom.at

[John]

Hi,

unfortunately, that reply above was somehow cut into just the first 1/3.
Anyhow, I suggested replacing the stereo reversed version of the Ride Cymbal to the normal, described how you can add separate OH, AMB, etc, channels for imported Instruments but you seem to have found a video describing it, so I guess you’re all good now.

BR,
John

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Technical Advisor

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