Problem dragging Midi to Studio One Midi Track

[Paul Smith]

Hi I have 2 crazy problems with EZKeys2. When I...

Hi

I have 2 crazy problems with EZKeys2.

1. When I drag selected groove after saving it opens up multiple tracks in Studio One.  I’ve unchecked Auto Save but it still keeps on happening.  In EZKeys1 when I dragged groove it only had the groove I’d worked on and that was all that was transferred to Studio One Midi track.  It must be a setting in EZKeys2 causing this but I can’t find it.
2. In EZKeys1 it was simple to delete old grooves.  I cannot find where the EZKeys2 grooves are from the EZKeys2 interface.

Hopefully, someone can help.

Thanks,

Paul

EZkeys version: 2.0.1
Operating system: Windows 10

Hi

I have 2 crazy problems with EZKeys2.

1. When I drag selected groove after saving it opens up multiple tracks in Studio One.  I’ve unchecked Auto Save but it still keeps on happening.  In EZKeys1 when I dragged groove it only had the groove I’d worked on and that was all that was transferred to Studio One Midi track.  It must be a setting in EZKeys2 causing this but I can’t find it.
2. In EZKeys1 it was simple to delete old grooves.  I cannot find where the EZKeys2 grooves are from the EZKeys2 interface.

Hopefully, someone can help.

Thanks,

Paul

EZkeys version: 2.0.1
Operating system: Windows 10

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[Billy 86]

A tangled situation. I’ll make a glaringly simple suggestion because it’s help me solve 90% of my DAW/plugin weirdness anf is usually the first thing I’ll try. Have you tried to reboot your box?

SD3, EZD, EZ Keys 1&2, EZ Bass. Win10, i9/9900, all SSDs, 64g RAM, Cakewalk, Studio One

[Paul Smith]

Hi Christoffer,

Thanks for your suggestion.  I woke up at 4:30am and was thinking I should delete everything in that folder.  But I followed your instructions perfectly and only deleted .mid and info files.  I’m totally surprised to find that it didn’t work.

I opened up a brand new song in Studio One.  Left clicked to drag a groove to the track.  No problem.  Only one track showing up.  Then selected another groove and dragged it to the track.  Multiple grooves again!

Please see attached jpg.

Thanks,

Paul

[Paul Smith]

Hi Brad, John & Christoffer,

I’ve found a way to stop this multiple file thing from happening!  All I have to do is hold down the CTRL key while dragging with the Left Click.  Then, only one file is dragged to one track.

In the same song, if I don’t hold down the CTRL key, I get multiple tracks.

I’m not sure if the source of this problem is Studio One setup (I did re-install and also reset all settings previously) or in EZkeys2.  But I think knowing this should allow you to find a solution.

Please keep me posted.

Thanks again!

Paul

[Paul Smith]

Hi Brad, John & Christoffer,

I have a ticket with Tech at Presonus.  They want me to make a short video of what is happening re: multiple tracks.  Do you think I still need to do this considering I’ve found out that I can avoid getting multiple tracks by holding down the CTRL Key while dragging with Left Mouse?  I was thinking you would be able to solve the problem now.

Please advise,

Thanks,

Paul

[Brad]

Paul Smith wrote:

Hi Brad, John & Christoffer,

I have a ticket with Tech at Presonus.  They want me to make a short video of what is happening re: multiple tracks.  Do you think I still need to do this considering I’ve found out that I can avoid getting multiple tracks by holding down the CTRL Key while dragging with Left Mouse?  I was thinking you would be able to solve the problem now.

Please advise,

Thanks,

Paul

I would be interested in what they have to say.

EZkeys version: 2.0.1
Operating system: macOS Ventura (13)

Mac Studio M1 Max, RAM 64 GB, 1TB Drive, OSX 12.x/13.x and Windows 10 (VM)
DAW: Studio One Pro (always up to date)
DTX Express III (Extreme triggers), Nektar LX88
OWC Thunderbay Mini (4 X 1TB Sata SSD), Express 4M2 (4 X 2TB M.2 SSD), Envoy Express (1TB M.2 SSD)
Presonus Quantum, Faderport & Faderport 8
Black Lion Sparrow Mk2 A/D, FMR-RNP-RNC, MIDI Xpress 128, BM5A, KRK VXT4, Equator D5
2020 Macbook Pro 16GB RAM, 512GB SSD Audio(mobile rig)

[Brad]

Paul Smith wrote:

Hi I have 2 crazy problems with EZKeys2. When I...

Hi

I have 2 crazy problems with EZKeys2.

1. When I drag selected groove after saving it opens up multiple tracks in Studio One.  I’ve unchecked Auto Save but it still keeps on happening.  In EZKeys1 when I dragged groove it only had the groove I’d worked on and that was all that was transferred to Studio One Midi track.  It must be a setting in EZKeys2 causing this but I can’t find it.
2. In EZKeys1 it was simple to delete old grooves.  I cannot find where the EZKeys2 grooves are from the EZKeys2 interface.

Hopefully, someone can help.

Thanks,

Paul

EZkeys version: 2.0.1
Operating system: Windows 10

Hi

I have 2 crazy problems with EZKeys2.

1. When I drag selected groove after saving it opens up multiple tracks in Studio One.  I’ve unchecked Auto Save but it still keeps on happening.  In EZKeys1 when I dragged groove it only had the groove I’d worked on and that was all that was transferred to Studio One Midi track.  It must be a setting in EZKeys2 causing this but I can’t find it.
2. In EZKeys1 it was simple to delete old grooves.  I cannot find where the EZKeys2 grooves are from the EZKeys2 interface.

Hopefully, someone can help.

Thanks,

Paul

EZkeys version: 2.0.1
Operating system: Windows 10

BTW in your original post you mentioned “saving it” what are you saving? Where? And how?

Inquiring minds want to know. 😄

EZkeys version: 2.0.1
Operating system: macOS Ventura (13)

Mac Studio M1 Max, RAM 64 GB, 1TB Drive, OSX 12.x/13.x and Windows 10 (VM)
DAW: Studio One Pro (always up to date)
DTX Express III (Extreme triggers), Nektar LX88
OWC Thunderbay Mini (4 X 1TB Sata SSD), Express 4M2 (4 X 2TB M.2 SSD), Envoy Express (1TB M.2 SSD)
Presonus Quantum, Faderport & Faderport 8
Black Lion Sparrow Mk2 A/D, FMR-RNP-RNC, MIDI Xpress 128, BM5A, KRK VXT4, Equator D5
2020 Macbook Pro 16GB RAM, 512GB SSD Audio(mobile rig)

[Bruce McDonald]

Paul Smith wrote:

Hi Brad, John & Christoffer,

I have a ticket with Tech at Presonus.  They want me to make a short video of what is happening re: multiple tracks.  Do you think I still need to do this considering I’ve found out that I can avoid getting multiple tracks by holding down the CTRL Key while dragging with Left Mouse?  I was thinking you would be able to solve the problem now.

Please advise,

Thanks,

Paul

Paul

Would be very helpful to know exactly what you doing – in order – as many of us both here and in the Presonus forums cannot quite make sense of how you are going about this OR getting to a point where 20 tracks are created. This sequence:

When I drag selected groove after saving it opens up multiple tracks in Studio One.  I’ve unchecked Auto Save but it still keeps on happening.  In EZKeys1 when I dragged groove it only had the groove I’d worked on and that was all that was transferred to Studio One Midi track.  It must be a setting in EZKeys2 causing this but I can’t find it.

Is all over the place and I have no idea what it is you are “saving” or why you would be saving it (Presumably from within the EZKeys 2 interface). And I also do not understand what “selected groove” means either. “Selected” for where? An EZKeys library? Selected after you dragged a MIDI block from a library TO the EZkeys Song Track?

I have tested this relentlessly here using my standard procedure on how I would tackle this – but there is no saving, no “selected grooves” or any other angle that gives me multiple tracks in any way – it’s always correct – grab a MIDI block (or blocks) from the EZK Song Track and drag them to the S1 instrument track and exactly that block (or blocks) get placed in the S1 instrument track (that is hosting EZ Keys 2)

You are doing something very different and we cannot figure out what it is.

Cheers

B

EZkeys version: 2.0.1
Operating system: Windows 10

• This post was modified 1 year, 11 months ago by Bruce McDonald.

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[Paul Smith]

Hi John, Brad & Christoffer,

I sent a video link to Presonus so let’s see what they think is wrong.

I wasn’t aware until today that when I hold down CTRL Key while dragging, it’s still bringing over surplus grooves.  Instead of placing them vertically, it places them horizontally.

Paul

[Paul Smith]

Hi B,

1. Add Standard Groove.
2. Click on the Grooves Tab.
3. Selected Groove’ is the one that I select from the Ezkeys Midi Library.  I drag this groove over into the Song Track replacing the default Midi.
4. Click on ‘Replace Midi’ to transfer selected groove to Song Track Blocks.
5. Save Changes.
6. Left click on the groove in the Song Track and drag to track in Studio One 6.

I’m doing nothing different.  Because of this problem, I purchased a Tutorial Course on EZkeys2.  In that video, when he Left Clicks and drags the groove from the Song Track, only one Midi groove is dragged.  With me it’s multiple!

If I only perform 1 – 3 and then Left Click and drag the groove from the Song Track to Instrument Track in Studio One – same problem so it’s nothing to do with ‘Replace Midi’ or ‘Save Changes’.

I’ve made a quick video of what is happening here:  https://photos.app.goo.gl/45MLjZCmd36K8UTX8

This is with a completely new initialization of Studio One.  Open a New Song.  Then all I’m doing is as above 1 – 6

I’ve since found that if I hold CTRL Key down while I’m dragging the groove to the track in Studio One, I get only one track vertically but… multiple tracks horizontally.  So I’m not able to really use this program.

FYI, I also own EZBass and following the exact order of things from above there is no problem!  There is only a transfer of one groove.  It works perfectly.

Same for EZkeys1 64Bit.

Presonus Tech says it’s likely a coding problem so I hope Toontrack can find the source of the problem and fix it.

• This post was modified 1 year, 11 months ago by Paul Smith.

[Bruce McDonald]

Paul

Thanks for the update and the video. Some observations from my chair

As I suspected – your workflow in the video – is a bit unique as there are steps in here that are usually not necessary but they should not effect that MIDI drag. Walk with me thru your steps – starting with:

1. Add Standard Groove.

For all the time I have ever used EZkeys (or any EZ instrument) – I do not believe I have ever used this button. Can you comment on why you click Add Standard Groove?

2. Click on the Grooves Tab.

With respect to “standard groove” above – it is easier and faster to simply start here. Audition any groove you want and drag it on the Song Track.

3. Selected Groove’ is the one that I select from the Ezkeys Midi Library.  I drag this groove over into the Song Track replacing the default Midi.

4. Click on ‘Replace Midi’ to transfer selected groove to Song Track Blocks.

5. Save Changes.

6. Left click on the groove in the Song Track and drag to track in Studio One 6.

All the other steps are fine and I just tested this relentlessly and still cannot reproduce.

After closely watching that vid over and over a couple of times – this almost feels like a “layers” issue or some other setting within your song template or possibly some setting within EZKeys somewhere. It is most definitely not common as everyone else who has chimed in cannot replicate this.

Be very curious to know what this is – hoping you will update the group once you find out.

B

 

[Brad]

Paul Smith wrote:

Hi B,

1. Add Standard Groove.
2. Click on the Grooves Tab.
3. Selected Groove’ is the one that I select from the Ezkeys Midi Library.  I drag this groove over into the Song Track replacing the default Midi.
4. Click on ‘Replace Midi’ to transfer selected groove to Song Track Blocks.
5. Save Changes.
6. Left click on the groove in the Song Track and drag to track in Studio One 6.

I’m doing nothing different.  Because of this problem, I purchased a Tutorial Course on EZkeys2.  In that video, when he Left Clicks and drags the groove from the Song Track, only one Midi groove is dragged.  With me it’s multiple!

If I only perform 1 – 3 and then Left Click and drag the groove from the Song Track to Instrument Track in Studio One – same problem so it’s nothing to do with ‘Replace Midi’ or ‘Save Changes’.

I’ve made a quick video of what is happening here:  https://photos.app.goo.gl/45MLjZCmd36K8UTX8

This is with a completely new initialization of Studio One.  Open a New Song.  Then all I’m doing is as above 1 – 6

I’ve since found that if I hold CTRL Key down while I’m dragging the groove to the track in Studio One, I get only one track vertically but… multiple tracks horizontally.  So I’m not able to really use this program.

FYI, I also own EZBass and following the exact order of things from above there is no problem!  There is only a transfer of one groove.  It works perfectly.

Same for EZkeys1 64Bit.

Presonus Tech says it’s likely a coding problem so I hope Toontrack can find the source of the problem and fix it.

• This post was modified 1 year, 11 months ago by Paul Smith.

You know what’s different when I do exactly what you do. In steps 1-3, step 4 is omitted because the MIDI is already replaced when I drag the groove to the “Standard MIDI” block.

Have you tried this

• Add Standard Groove.
• Click on the Grooves Tab.
• Select Groove’ from the Ezkeys Midi Library. (Do not drag the groove to the song track)
• Click on ‘Replace Midi’ to transfer selected groove to Song Track Blocks.
• Save Changes.

No dragging to the song track…. does that make any difference?

EZkeys version: 2.0.1
Operating system: macOS Ventura (13)

Mac Studio M1 Max, RAM 64 GB, 1TB Drive, OSX 12.x/13.x and Windows 10 (VM)
DAW: Studio One Pro (always up to date)
DTX Express III (Extreme triggers), Nektar LX88
OWC Thunderbay Mini (4 X 1TB Sata SSD), Express 4M2 (4 X 2TB M.2 SSD), Envoy Express (1TB M.2 SSD)
Presonus Quantum, Faderport & Faderport 8
Black Lion Sparrow Mk2 A/D, FMR-RNP-RNC, MIDI Xpress 128, BM5A, KRK VXT4, Equator D5
2020 Macbook Pro 16GB RAM, 512GB SSD Audio(mobile rig)

[Paul Smith]

Hi to Everyone who’s interested in the solution to my problem…  I can’t believe it but when I clicked on ‘Run As Administrator’ in the Studio One program, EZkeys2 operates exactly as it should.  That’s all I had to do.  I wish someone could have come up with the answer for me because I’ve wasted almost a week trying to solve this problem.  Now I have to work on an arrangement that I need to get ready asap.

Thanks for all suggestions.

Paul

[Brad]

Paul Smith wrote:

Hi to Everyone who’s interested in the solution to my problem…  I can’t believe it but when I clicked on ‘Run As Administrator’ in the Studio One program, EZkeys2 operates exactly as it should.  That’s all I had to do.  I wish someone could have come up with the answer for me because I’ve wasted almost a week trying to solve this problem.  Now I have to work on an arrangement that I need to get ready asap.

Thanks for all suggestions.

Paul

Yes, I run mostly on Mac so the run as administrator fix didn’t occur to me… thanks for posting the solution.

EZkeys version: 2.0.1
Operating system: macOS Ventura (13)

Mac Studio M1 Max, RAM 64 GB, 1TB Drive, OSX 12.x/13.x and Windows 10 (VM)
DAW: Studio One Pro (always up to date)
DTX Express III (Extreme triggers), Nektar LX88
OWC Thunderbay Mini (4 X 1TB Sata SSD), Express 4M2 (4 X 2TB M.2 SSD), Envoy Express (1TB M.2 SSD)
Presonus Quantum, Faderport & Faderport 8
Black Lion Sparrow Mk2 A/D, FMR-RNP-RNC, MIDI Xpress 128, BM5A, KRK VXT4, Equator D5
2020 Macbook Pro 16GB RAM, 512GB SSD Audio(mobile rig)

[Bruce McDonald]

Paul Smith wrote:

Hi to Everyone who’s interested in the solution to my problem…  I can’t believe it but when I clicked on ‘Run As Administrator’ in the Studio One program, EZkeys2 operates exactly as it should.  That’s all I had to do.  I wish someone could have come up with the answer for me because I’ve wasted almost a week trying to solve this problem.  Now I have to work on an arrangement that I need to get ready asap.

Thanks for all suggestions.

Paul

Interesting development – however – still no issues here and NOT running as Admin.

This tweak still indicates something else is in play as I cannot for the life of me understand why logging into Studio One as admin would make any difference in this scenario – but if it’s working – so be it.

B

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