Out of phase snare and toms

[henrizzle]

Hello, I used SD2 for years and everything is out...

Hello,

I used SD2 for years and everything is out of phase, okay so I use phase switch to fix. Too bad for guys that don’t look at the details.. they can’t get the energy in the mixes because all the phase is out.

I bought SD3 today … and … on this “Club Kit Basic” (I haven’t checked the other kits)… snare and tom tracks are out of phase. Those mics will pickup a negative initial phase on the hit. The phase is correct in the overheads. Okay I use the phase switch again but for $400 I think Toontrack should have gotten this correct out of the box. Maybe hire someone who is actually a sound engineer to do the edits and what not?

Oh my hell.

Superior Drummer 3 version: 3.3.6
Operating system: Windows 11

Hello,

I used SD2 for years and everything is out of phase, okay so I use phase switch to fix. Too bad for guys that don’t look at the details.. they can’t get the energy in the mixes because all the phase is out.

I bought SD3 today … and … on this “Club Kit Basic” (I haven’t checked the other kits)… snare and tom tracks are out of phase. Those mics will pickup a negative initial phase on the hit. The phase is correct in the overheads. Okay I use the phase switch again but for $400 I think Toontrack should have gotten this correct out of the box. Maybe hire someone who is actually a sound engineer to do the edits and what not?

Oh my hell.

Superior Drummer 3 version: 3.3.6
Operating system: Windows 11

Topic

[henrizzle]

Those are also reversed in polarity.

[Bear-Faced Cow]

No they are not. They are two different frequencies and resonances. their peaks and valleys do not coincide in anyway. Again, this is sound 101.

so now you are implying that Darrell Thorpe doesn’t know what he’s doing? You may want to look up the engineers that you are criticizing.

jord

---

Jordan L. Chilcott

Web Site: https://jordanchilcottmusic.com/

• This post was modified 1 year, 6 months ago by Bear-Faced Cow.

[henrizzle]

Snare top should look like this where it starts by going negative.

[henrizzle]

You are confused. This is a matter of physics. Unless your mic->preamp->cable some where has +- reversed it should look like the above.

[Bear-Faced Cow]

says who?

---

Jordan L. Chilcott

Web Site: https://jordanchilcottmusic.com/

[Bear-Faced Cow]

I just showed you a set of wave forms recorded by a world-class engineer. you just said the same thing about him. I think you are the one who’s confused.

jord

---

Jordan L. Chilcott

Web Site: https://jordanchilcottmusic.com/

[henrizzle]

Why don’t you record a snare and show the wave form?

[henrizzle]

Anyhow I give up on you, I got to get to make music. Good luck with all the reversed polarity tracks 🙂

[henrizzle]

Here is a screen shot of snare tracks from Blackbird Studio. A good snare hit should look something like this.. again negative initially.

[Bear-Faced Cow]

Considering the two engineers (and I have more) that you just questioned regarding their drum recordings, I think you are the one who needs the luck. Their methods win over yours in a heartbeat. The proof is in the mix.

jord

---

Jordan L. Chilcott

Web Site: https://jordanchilcottmusic.com/

[henrizzle]

This is not a matter of opinion but physics and fact. You should ask your two engineer why their snare tops are inverted, maybe they preferred to invert or didn’t know it was inverted.

[henrizzle]

Your second screenshot was also sketchy as is hard to tell with the way you blown it up and the section that it shows. Try to find one clean good snare hit.

[henrizzle]

Inverted.

This actually is a common mistake. I recently got some drum tracks to mix by a guy from Nashville, a total pro. I always do a phase check first, it avoids tons of issues when phase and polarity is correct. In this case his kicks were inverted. I mentioned to the guy I got the tracks from to let him know. He confirmed it was inverted when he checked his drum recording rig that he has setup all the time. It can be a mic, a cable… blah blah blah. You should know what direction up and down is, it pretty basic and this is not up for debate. If you prefer the thin sound and want it inverted that a whole other matter. But often it is overlooked because no one checked.

[henrizzle]

Sunset Sound drums tracks by Marc Martel. NOT inverted 🙂

[Bear-Faced Cow]

If you’re going to hide behind physics, then you need to consider the type of mics, the recording angle of the mic, the direction of the mic, the material of the room, the physical makeup of the board, whether onboard or outboard processing was used, whether it was recorded to tape or direct to disk, etc. Sorry, but you’re not right in this case. So many variables will affect a waveform and how it is printed.

I don’t need to question world class engineers. They know their work far more than you and have the discographies to prove it. Are you going to question another one? Ken Sluiter is yet another engineer who has more under his belt.

There’s no right or wrong here. The only real mistake is your beliefs of how things should be. If you feel you can do a better job than the major engineers, then just do it and stop questioning other people’s methods.

jord

---

Jordan L. Chilcott

Web Site: https://jordanchilcottmusic.com/

[Author]

Replies