I can’t figure this out. I like the max open to be less open. So when my foot is of the pedal the openness is maybe 3/4’s of fully open. Using TD17 with VH-10 hats. I’m using the edrum setting and the correct midi map.
I can’t figure this out. I like the max open to be less open. So when my foot is of the pedal the openness is maybe 3/4’s of fully open. Using TD17 with VH-10 hats. I’m using the edrum setting and the correct midi map.
Hi there,
In the Settings > E-Drums page you will see a hi-hat settings section at the bottom.
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I’m a SD3 user with zero issues. I can not get the high hat to rest in a closed position with EZ3? It triggers slightly open when my foot is fully depressed down. Is this still an ongoing issue?
I’m having the same issue. I’d like to get the hi-hat a bit less open when the hi hat cc pedal is fully opened. I’ll try to see if I can limit the cc4 midi message in the hardware pedal itself, cross my fingers.
I’m looking back at this problem with Ezdrummer 2, and it does look like the same problem going on with Ezdrummer 3. It would by nice to see Toontrack fix this, which shouldn’t take a real programmer much time. I’m not a programmer at all, and I managed to learn enough in a few days to program a workaround in Reaper’s js language, which was a chore for a non-programmer.
If anyone wants to test why this isn’t working in Ezdrummer 3, I’ll provide the means here. First, just enough background info for anyone not familiar with MIDI, so that you can understand how to test the problem, possibly use a workaround, and request to have it fixed. When you hit an e-drum hi-hat, a MIDI note value is sent out of your module. A MIDI control change value is also sent out according to the position of your hi-hat pedal. MIDI control change messages have an identifying number, along with a value for the change. For our Roland hi-hats, the control change number is 4, or in other words, cc4. For some Roland modules the cc4 values range from 0 to 127, fully open to fully closed. Some Roland modules have cc4 values of 0 to 90, fully open to fully closed. And some Roland modules have an internal setting to switch the cc4 value range from 0-127 to 0-90. /End background info.
Ezdrummer is expecting cc4 values 0-127. So for those Roland modules putting out cc4 values 0-90, such as the TD-17, the max cc4 value is 90, but it is being treated as if the incoming range is 0-127, where it should be treated as 0-90, which means we only get 3/4 of the range we need to go from fully open to fully closed.
Maybe there is a VST MIDI plugin to use as a workaround for this problem, but I am not aware of one. I wrote a Reaper plugin some years back as a workaround for Ezdrummer 2, which should work just as well for Ezdrummer 3. You can get it here: https://app.box.com/s/dd4yvn500d4xr8wdcjgc73d51iv7kd1b You’ll need to have the Reaper daw installed to use it, of course. It’s just a text file with some js code, and on Windows you save it to: C:\Users\\Appdata\Roaming\Reaper\effects\ using whatever name you like. I called it ‘cc4_expander’. It has not gui because it didn’t need one, and I didn’t want to learn gui programming to write one anyway, but you load it just the same as any other plugin. Just don’t expect any controls to show up. All it does it takes in MIDI cc4 values 0-90 and puts out in their place values 0-127.
But it would be nice to see Toontrack fix this issue in Ezdrummer 3, so that I can upgrade from Ezdrummer 2, and not have to use a home-made plugin to make it work as it should. And it would be nice of Toontrack to also fix this same problem in Ezdrummer 2 to support those users just as well.
This post was modified 1 year, 7 months ago by travis.
@John Does that slider fix the problem for Roland modules that put out MIDI control change 4 messages with values between 0-90? The TD-17 does put out 0-90 values. This is also an issue in Ezdrummer 2 that never got fixed, as far as I know.
The post has been modified 2 times, last modified 1 year, 7 months ago by travis.
I take it your TD-17 hasn’t got the option, like my TD-12 has, to set the HH RESOLUTION=HIGH in Settings?
Anyways, dragging the Slider in the above picture for ‘Fully Closed’ from 127 to 90, should rectify that part for you. Next, I would experiment with the Velocity Transform curve for fine-tuning the response. Finish by saving your tweaks as your own MIDI In/E-drums Preset.
It’s been a couple of years now since EZdrummer 2 was discontinued, so I wouldn’t expect any further releases for version 2.
I take it your TD-17 hasn’t got the option, like my TD-12 has, to set the HH RESOLUTION=HIGH in Settings?
Anyways, dragging the Slider in the above picture for ‘Fully Closed’ from 127 to 90, should rectify that part for you. Next, I would experiment with the Velocity Transform curve for fine-tuning the response. Finish by saving your tweaks as your own MIDI In/E-drums Preset.
It’s been a couple of years now since EZdrummer 2 was discontinued, so I wouldn’t expect any further releases for version 2.
BR,
John
No. The TD-17 doesn’t have that option. I had a TD-12 too, and I also noticed that option. I also owned a TD-11 which didn’t have that option and used 0-90 values for cc4. Roland has MIDI implementation documents for their modules:
I haven’t looked through the Roland MIDI implementation charts many of their modules, but I suspect that a lot of Roland modules aren’t fully supported for hi-hat in Ezdrummer 2 and 3 because of this issue. And it might be an issue in Superior Drummer versions too.
I wrote a couple of Reaper plugins to test and correct this for a TD-11 when I owned one.
This post was modified 1 year, 7 months ago by travis.
I have tried JS:Midi CC Mapper (Scale) in Reaper and checked with reacontrol Midi (cockos) if it remaps (scales up) from 0-90 up to 0-127 for a Roland TD17 with VH-10 HH.
Seems to work. Just put the CC Mapper in front of VST3i:Ezdrummer 3 and set it up as shown in attached file.
Maybe this is a good workaround for Reaper Users.
Good Luck and Kind regards
Frank
EZdrummer version: 3.0.6 Operating system: Windows 10
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