Number 1 Hits hats not choking (not joking!)

[Kim Joris Bostroem]

I just discovered to my chagrin that the Number 1 Hits in every kit the hats are not choking!! So, the closed hats won’t choke the open hats, which is quite unbelievable. Do I miss something? Can I somehow “activate” choking? The same goes, by the way, for Superior Drummer 3. When I load the Number 1 Hits, the hats are also not choking. Can I set this up somehow?

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[John]

Hi,

 

if you check the MIDI Mapping properties in SD3 for the HH’s in Number 1 Hits, you see they have ‘Mute Group’ articulations. If you trigger these articulations, they will mute.

EDIT: I just checked and I don’t think it works as expected, I have to check with my colleagues and get back to you.

BR,

John

John Rammelt - Toontrack
Technical Advisor

[Kim Joris Bostroem]

Hey John,

thanks for your feedback – anything new so far?

[John]

Hi Kim,

 

it seems that it’s a consequence of how SD3 works, the drums in the Number 1 Hits EZX (and the Electronic EZX) are completely separate units that know nothing about each other.

Other users have put in requests for user assignable Mute Groups in SD3, which would solve this as I understand it.

You can however use the Mute Groups in EZdrummer 2, this works as expected.

BR,

John

John Rammelt - Toontrack
Technical Advisor

[Kim Joris Bostroem]

Hi John,

thanks for your explanation. I don’t quite understand, however, why in EZDrummer as well as in SD2 and SD3, for all the natural drumsets the hihats would work fine with regard to choking, while the Number 1 Hits and Electronic EZXs fail. It seems to me that, obviously, it is possible to choke an open hihat by a closed one, so why in the world would it not work also for drum machine sounds? I would expect of such exquisitely sampled libraries as Toontrack’s, that such a simple and straightforward feature as choking will certainly work as expected, not only for natural drums, but also for drum machines.

Is there any chance to see an update to these two EZXs that fixes the choking issue?

[John]

Well,

as I wrote above, the muting does indeed work in EZDrummer 2 if you use the ‘Mute Group’ articulations instead of the regular articulations for the open and closed hihats.

Please check the properties for the HH as in the attached screen shot to where they are located.

I do not think that the EZX:s need updates but rather SD3. Unlike a “real” HH, which is treated as one instrument with all its articulations – closed, pedal, edge, bow, open 2, open 3, etc – the electronic HH sounds are each one treated as a separate instrument.
This makes it possible to have different sounds for the closed and open HHs.

As for when or if such an update is released, I cannot say, since I’m only an advisor here at the forum but Toontrack always listen to user feedback and try to implement what is possible.

 

BR,

John

John Rammelt - Toontrack
Technical Advisor

[Kim Joris Bostroem]

Dear John,

thank you, now this all makes a lot more sense. Although I would have expected to have the “choked” articulations to be the default ones, on the standard MIDI notes, not the unchoked ones. I find it way better to have consistent hat sounds (all articulations of one sound, as with a real drum set) then to be able to load different hat sound for the closed and open hats. But that is that, it’s a decision taken by the toontrack engineers, and maybe they are better matching the needs of the generic user.

One last question: Is it possible in EZDrummer to re-learn the mute group articulations to the MIDI notes f#1 and a#1, thus replace the standard “unchoked” original versions with the choked ones?

 

[John]

Hi Kim,

 

it isn’t possible to re-assign MIDI notes in EZdrummer 2, that’s an SD3 feature, which then isn’t treating the Mute Groups as EZdrummer 2 so it’s a bit of a catch 22 for that part.

I’m one of the ones myself that has asked for User Mute Groups (or equivalent) in SD3, so let’s hope it can make its way into the software.

 

BR,

John

John Rammelt - Toontrack
Technical Advisor

[Kim Joris Bostroem]

OK, so let’s hope together…

Thanks again for your efforts and your help! Props to Toontrack support!

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Thanked by: John

[garrettwaded]

I’m also having an issue controlling choking with the Electronic expansion for EZdrummer 2.

When I try to find the “mute group” articulation in hats 1, the only option I find is the “main” articulation. But it might just be because the piece I have selected is TR-909 Hats 1, not TR-909 Closed, but I can’t find anything with that name on the list either.

However, that’s not exactly my problem anyway, because the choke capability still functions fine in with the hats.

What I’m trying to do, is choke some of the sounds in the FX pad, the Xtra pad, and/or the alternate snare/perc trig pad; or even the Hits pad for that matter, but the FX pad, and Snare/perc trig in particular…I swear I once accidently stumbled upon the choke function playing those pads. I mean one of them is even called perc trigger, as if to imply that there should be a muting companion. I’m pretty certain that I did this one time, so I’m pretty sure it’s possible with the program, but for the life of me, I can’t figure out what setting, or series of settings made this possible; what kit, mixer preset…etc.

Any ideas?

EZdrummer version: 2.1.8
Operating system: Windows 10

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