CrispyoatsI feel this is such a waste of opportunity (and money). Included grooves are mainly single instruments, not full set grooves. Why? So many genres are missing…
Are the stock only “percussion” set available for this EZX? While I like EZd3 very much, this percussion set is a HUGE disappointment.
Maybe somebody can point me in the right direction for other genre related grooves Bolero, Bossa, etc that are mapped for Latin Cuban Percussion EZX?
Thanks.
cyril blancYou can always write your percussion in your DAW, there will be more personal 😉
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CrispyoatsGreat advise coming from forum member of toontrack forum… Maybe even better, hire a professional percussionist and furghetabout EZD?
NI has a decent sounding session percussionist instrument with decent grooves, but implementation of the plugin is horrible (compared to their other session series). Toontrack – the king of drums with giga sound and midi library has almost nothing to show for percussion performances (grooves).
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rixaYou can combine grooves from different instruments to create your own unique groove. Right-click > Copy on a groove in the grooves browser, then right-click > Paste on Selected Groove > Instrument on the MIDI block on the song track.
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Crispyoatsrixa,
Thanks. But that is programming. The magic of EZ stuff is that you can preview grooves on the fly and then do edits once it’s sketched out. And it works wonders for most, if not all EZXs… except for percussion.
Because this kit is mapped the way it is, most percussion MIDI loops need to be completely re-mapped. I have “world beats” from groovemonkey, but it doesn’t play nicely with Latin Cuban EZX because of mapping.
If somebody can recommend a third party percussion midi loops that would work with EZD3 Latin Cuban percussion, that would be awesome. There are sets like Latin Jazz or Jazz, that has bossa in toontrack catalog, but again, because of mapping, they sound like garbage on this kit.
P.S. first “Latin Percussion” kit came out 15+ years ago. I am surprised they didn’t have time to release full kit grooves for these.
Bear-Faced CowBut that is programming.
No it isn’t. It is arranging as it should be with percussion instruments
The magic of EZ stuff is that you can preview grooves on the fly and then do edits once it’s sketched out. And it works wonders for most, if not all EZXs… except for percussion
You’re confusing drums with percussion. Drums are holistic in nature. Percussion isn’t. Thus, layering them as such would be expected in any arrangement. Being able to create rather realistic percussion grooves in EZ Drummer 3 is the real magic using groove parts. I use this with Latin Cuban Percussion all the time. Never a disappointment with it.
Because this kit is mapped the way it is, most percussion MIDI loops need to be completely re-mapped. I have “world beats” from groovemonkey, but it doesn’t play nicely with Latin Cuban EZX because of mapping.
Not true. You can map it any way you want. You can adapt it to your own MIDI grooves.
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Thanked by: Scott EshlemanCrispyoatsBut that is programming. No it isn’t. It is arranging as it should be with percussion instruments
It’s only your opinion. NI percussionist, GA and even small player like Goran Grooves for that matter understood full set grooves pretty well. You don’t have to construct them from scratch just to get an idea what it can sound like with your composition. The thing is they don’t have as nice workflow as EZD3.
“Thus, layering them as such would be expected in any arrangement.” Again, untrue statement. There are several “percussionist” VST’s that have whole kit grooves.
“You can map it any way you want. You can adapt it to your own MIDI grooves.” I don’t believe you can do it in bulk, meaning whole loop pack instead of individual files.
I think toontrack failed miserably in hand percussion instrument grooves. Both instrument by themselves are OK, but not having full… well semi-full kit grooves since first release 15 years ago just unacceptable. So many world genres under represented.
BTW, you can poke at me all you want, but keep in mind, I was not the first one to bring this up. Instead, listen to full kit grooves plugins offered by other developers:
Bear-Faced CowIt’s only your opinion.
i think after 4.5 decades of doing this in the real world, I believe I know the difference between arranging and programming in the musical sense.
NI percussionist, GA and even small player like Goran Grooves for that matter understood full set grooves pretty well.
It’s only your opinion.
You don’t have to construct them from scratch just to get an idea what it can sound like with your composition.
Already I can tell you what they sound like: contrived and not real for any arrangement. It’s not how percussion works in real music, unless you’re using a 1970s Lowery Magic Genie organ. And if you want to call it my opinion, perhaps do it after you have done some real world arrangements for clients.
But hell, if full percussion players are your thing, you can map EZ Drummer 3 to them (and before you tell me it can’t be done, I’ve already mapped the Logic Pro 11 Session Players to LCP.
“You can map it any way you want. You can adapt it to your own MIDI grooves.” I don’t believe you can do it in bulk, meaning whole loop pack instead of individual files.
I don’t believe that you have a handle on what you are talking about here.
I think toontrack failed miserably in hand percussion instrument grooves. Both instrument by themselves are OK, but not having full… well semi-full kit grooves since first release 15 years ago just unacceptable. So many world genres under represented.
Your opinion only. True there are plenty of world percussion instruments yet to be done, but between this and many of percussion libraries on the Superior Drummer side, I’ve got a lot to use.
Instead, listen to full kit grooves plugins offered by other developers:
Again, listen to how things are done in the real world. And if you can’t create them within 2 minutes of MIDI speed dating, that isn’t ToonTrack’s failure.
Jord
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Thanked by: russ6100CrispyoatsIf you want to use term “arranging” instead of programming, that is fine with me. My usual process is a combination of two. Some loops I slice and dice, some I re-program where needed. Real world? In early 90s we had a guy play in our band, he used to bring large custom percussion set. One man band 🙂 That’s how some grooves of NI, Groove Agent and Goran sound to me. Like the “real world” player(s) that I’ve heard (and played with) It’s great that EZD3 has single or double instrument MIDI stems, but there should be full kit grooves, just as with most other competitors. Then, it’s up to a user what to keep, what to cut and what to change and mix.
Bottom line, I will likely end up re-mapping some individual grooves. But of gazzilion midi packs (that are quite pricey) toontrack could of done 1-2 world drumming – complete kit midi packs for these 2 SDX’s. Or… at least have ability to auto re-map some that fit the bill, like parts of Jazz and Latin midi packs.
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