sjchoate94Hi all, my name is Sam. This is my first forum post, go easy on me.
I’ve been trying to find some legitimate info to bring me to a conclusion on this topic: Some of the SD3 expansions (indiependent, music city, etc) were recorded and sampled back in the SD2 times. I know they will work with SD3, but are they as detailed as the more recent ones like Legacy of Rock, Decades, etc? Many of the older ones are smaller file sizes and require less RAM. This makes it seem like they have fewer samples per instrument. To add further confusion, they are all priced the same on a normal day.
Can someone please enlighten me about this? Thank you.
developdeviceHi Sam,
all SDXs are similar (great). Just choose what suits you. The release date of the library does not play a big role here. For example, The Metal Foundry SDX is one of the oldest and many producers (including me) still use it extensively in professional music productions.
Cheers!
Jaroslav Holub
Develop Device
https://developdevice.com
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Mark KingA different opinion as a drummer here. The new generation SDXs are so much better to play. They have more articulations you can use via electronic drums meaning you can get a more realistic drum track.
SD3 with older sdx,s plus Rooms of Hansa and Death & Darkness. Cubase and wavelab current versions. Roland TD50x using all trigger inputs for triggering SD3 only. Windows 11 computer. Various keyboards and outboard gear as well as VST instruments. Acoustic drums: Yamaha 9000 natural wood and Pearl masters. Various snare drums. RME BabyFace Pro FS and Adam A7X monitors
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gary woodIve got Death and Darkness/Legacy of rock and just bought Indiependent on sale.
I think the difference between the older libraries and the more modern ones is that you dont have to work as hard to get a great sound out of the modern releases. By this I mean that the kits are already tweaked with effects and adjustments to make them sound the best they can be.
Having said that, I found that Indiependent SDX is fantastic and with a little tweaking sounds every bit as good the later releases.
Cant speak for other releases though.
cheers
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Thanked by: sjchoate94sjchoate94A different opinion as a drummer here. The new generation SDXs are so much better to play. They have more articulations you can use via electronic drums meaning you can get a more realistic drum track.
Hi Mark, I saw your post on another thread from several years ago. I almost reached out directly to you, but there’s no PMing on these forums. Anyways, thanks for the reply!
I have been thinking, surely there is a difference between a 12gb library and a 280 gb library. I know it’s all recorded really well, but I did get the notion there would be a difference in the number of strikes in the sample pool or articulations. Is it just the articulations you can choose from, or is it more common to hear what some call the “machine gun effect” from the older SDX’s? I know they’re all really good, but there’s gotta be a difference in the SD2 libraries vs the brand spanking new libraries with like over 150gb worth of samples.
sjchoate94Hi Sam,
all SDXs are similar (great). Just choose what suits you. The release date of the library does not play a big role here. For example, The Metal Foundry SDX is one of the oldest and many producers (including me) still use it extensively in professional music productions.
Cheers!
Thanks for the reply! I produce more organic styles of music like rock, indie, blues, and acoustic. I’ve gotten wonderful results from the Core library for all genres, but many times in metal, consistency is what you’re going for, whereas in some of the genres I produce, a greater nuance and realism is desired. That’s where I get a little apprehensive about the older sample libraries. I know they’re all meticulously recorded, but some had the SD2 software in mind, while these newer ones have the capabilities of SD3 in mind. I don’t know how much SD3 utilizes a greater sample pool, or if it even matters though!
Mark KingFor instance the cymbals don’t just have edge. The new have tip articulations (not d&d but they have great toms). Also they have a huge amount of mics and are not just stereo like sd2 packs. You get full surround. Someone mentioned earlier they have effects on them but I don’t use presets. I use the raw kits which is where the quality stands out. I don’t think sd2 particularly had machine gunning. To be honest I have recordings with the version before sd2 (I was a beta tester on sd2) and those still sound good today. In a mix you probably wouldn’t notice the differences. I do like how the snares respond on the newer kits. Older SDXs do have toms with a bit more of a crack to them than the core SD3 library. The different packs levels are all over the place so you have to watch levels. The old ones are louder than core SD3 but newer packs have got the level back. By the way that doesn’t effect the sound quality.
SD3 with older sdx,s plus Rooms of Hansa and Death & Darkness. Cubase and wavelab current versions. Roland TD50x using all trigger inputs for triggering SD3 only. Windows 11 computer. Various keyboards and outboard gear as well as VST instruments. Acoustic drums: Yamaha 9000 natural wood and Pearl masters. Various snare drums. RME BabyFace Pro FS and Adam A7X monitors
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Thanked by: sjchoate94sjchoate94For instance the cymbals don’t just have edge. The new have tip articulations (not d&d but they have great toms). Also they have a huge amount of mics and are not just stereo like sd2 packs. You get full surround. Someone mentioned earlier they have effects on them but I don’t use presets. I use the raw kits which is where the quality stands out. I don’t think sd2 particularly had machine gunning. To be honest I have recordings with the version before sd2 (I was a beta tester on sd2) and those still sound good today. In a mix you probably wouldn’t notice the differences. I do like how the snares respond on the newer kits. Older SDXs do have toms with a bit more of a crack to them than the core SD3 library. The different packs levels are all over the place so you have to watch levels. The old ones are louder than core SD3 but newer packs have got the level back. By the way that doesn’t effect the sound quality.
Thanks for the detailed reply. It’s crazy to me that all SDX’s are the same price then. I know some go on sale more frequently or for less, but that too indicates a difference in quality, or at the very least, desirability. For instance, when Indie went on sale for $50 was when I started to question the different levels of quality in the different SDX’s. Don’t get me wrong, I absolutely love Superior Drummer! But when I learned that some packs had been recorded before SD3 was even introduced, I became concerned they weren’t all of the same quality level, or at least the same quantity. Makes me glad I didn’t buy Indiependent for its regular price of $179 when I could have Decades or Legacy of Rock for the same price.
gary woodI agree, I would not have bought Indie at full price either but its worth US$49 (to me anyway)
If you are into rock/hard rock then Legacy is all you need in my opinion as a modern SDX
cheers
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Thanked by: sjchoate94Mark KingYeah definitely don’t buy the older ones full price. It’s easy to tell which they are as they are the only ones on offer. You don’t see the SD3 built SDXs on offer yet.
SD3 with older sdx,s plus Rooms of Hansa and Death & Darkness. Cubase and wavelab current versions. Roland TD50x using all trigger inputs for triggering SD3 only. Windows 11 computer. Various keyboards and outboard gear as well as VST instruments. Acoustic drums: Yamaha 9000 natural wood and Pearl masters. Various snare drums. RME BabyFace Pro FS and Adam A7X monitors
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Thanked by: sjchoate94sjchoate94I agree, I would not have bought Indie at full price either but its worth US$49 (to me anyway)
If you are into rock/hard rock then Legacy is all you need in my opinion as a modern SDX
cheers
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Legacy looks amazing. I think when I grab an expansion, it’ll be that one. I’m loving the core library! Thank you for the response
sjchoate94Yeah definitely don’t buy the older ones full price. It’s easy to tell which they are as they are the only ones on offer. You don’t see the SD3 built SDXs on offer yet.
That’s the notion I was getting. Just seems kinda shady to offer them all at the same price. Kinda reminds me of how Waves plugins are always on sale for like 70% off. Eh, I won’t let it keep me up at night though. Thanks so much for the info Mark.
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