Greg BusbyI’m creating a new E-Drum MIDI preset for every SDX that maps certain tom and cymbal assignments. Running a Roland TD-50X with all inputs used including 4 Aux Ins. Each SDX seems to have different tom and cymbal assignments for the stock Superior Drummer TD-50X MIDI preset. So, I’m creating new a new MIDI preset for each SDX.
When playing and I want to switch to a different SDX, I also have to switch the MIDI preset for everything to trigger properly, which is kind of a hassle I’d like to avoid.
Am I missing something?
Wayne Anthony-ColeThis is also my biggest bug bear with SD3. I flagged this same issue years ago.
I feel the whole mapping element needs re-vamping & SD standardised. To be able to set one map for ALL SDX’s & EZX’s
To be able to flit from one sound package to another without re-mapping would be a dream. I honestly believe this is the way it always should have been.
As an extra, it’d even better would be if we’re able to further customise our maps globally across again ALL libraries.
C’mon Toontrack…..
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pumpkinkingI don’t know about “one map for all” since there can be a lot of variability between SDXs that makes that difficult, but maybe being able to set a default midi map for each SDX room.
Tom ConnerI think the only way to do this is with a VST host. The host remembers the entire state that SD3 is in, including which user preset is selected and which midi map is loaded. So you would then select the preset you want to play in the VST host and not in SD3.
I use cantabile and it works well, and they have a free version that you can try out. SD3 can be embedded in Cantabile, so there is no separate window, just a thin frame around it.
I have one drop-down menu with all of my SD3 user presets across six SDXs, each using the right midi file, of which I need about eight.
Six piece DWe, Roland BT-1s/eDRUMin, SD3 (State of the Art, Stockholm, Hitmaker, Legacy of Rock, Decades, Death & Darkness, Fields of Rock, Stories), RME Fireface, JH Audio IEMs w/Fiio Amplifier, Porter & Davies, Razer 16 laptop
Wayne Anthony-ColeYou are right about the humongous variability of the library’s, but it not only a premium product, it’s also THE flagship drum library plugin on the market.
But I feel Toontrack are too smart a company to not solve this issue. It is a genuine problem & they do like to conquer difficult things. Creating different mappings for even kits with a particular library is counter intuitive.
Bear-Faced CowSorry but you’re confusing intuitiveness with a self entitled stance. Making a different MIDI map for your configuration a highly intuitive solution. You fail to account for is the following variables on the user side:
The list goes on…
The very last thing that I would expect from any of this is firing a MIDI note meant for a rack tom fires a floor tom. The same goes with various crash cymbals.
Is it any less “intuitive” for your controller to adapt to whatever library? if you’re going to come back with the answer “my controller doesn’t know what software is on the other end“, the answer is just as veritable the other way around and illustrates the agnosticism of MIDI.
The onus is not on ToonTrack to account for your desire to use your configuration with different libraries.
That being said it’s not any more than a 10 minute job to change a few configurations. Not to mention that you are not going to be doing it every time you change libraries. If you are, that is highly unintuitive.
Jord
Greg BusbyI don’t really mind creating new presets for each SDX but…
It would be nice if each custom MIDI preset could be “assigned” to its corresponding SDX, meaning that loading an SDX also loads the MIDI preset created for and assigned to that SDX. Surely that wouldn’t take rocket surgery to program into SD3.
I don’t yet have a large SDX library but I can imagine the extra time needed to mouse around the menu to load the correct MIDI preset with every SDX change would lessen a creative, enjoyable moment.
Bear-Faced CowTwo sets of mouse clicks separated by a drag in between them. That is all it takes to change a drum mapping preset.
and if that’s too much, you can always save a base “default“ project containing your library and drum mapping. Being a DAW user I have a bunch of these managed in a number of templates. I just need to load a template which contains library I want to use as well as the mapping. I want to use it with. I also have these set up as base configurations in my DAW library so that I can switch them on the fly. Of course, these configurations contain far more than just the library and mapping.
And not every library requires you to change drum mappings. Having a rather large SDX library I can tell you that from experience.
jord
Wayne Anthony-ColeDear Mr. Chillcot,
It’s clear like the rest of us here, you a level understanding of the complexities of the technology we are invested in.
Unfortunately you made a conscious decision to gaslight, & come with a series of conclusions neither I or previous persons had raised. Nobody is suggesting changes in SD just for themselves. SD is an amazing beast of a plug-in, & goes way further than any other in its class.
This is a *forum*.. An invitation from Toontrack (in this case) to engage with their customers for amongst other things, critique & some suggestions.
If you happen to disagree with a subject or posts within, might I suggest a little more decorum next time? It’s not that hard.
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Thanked by: Mark King and Greg BusbyBear-Faced CowThank you Mr. Cole for your clear illustration of “if you don’t have anything factual to present, go after the person behind their facts”. That is called being a troll.
Let’s start with your statement:
Unfortunately you made a conscious decision to gaslight, & come with a series of conclusions neither I or previous persons had raised. Nobody is suggesting changes in SD just for themselves. SD is an amazing beast of a plug-in, & goes way further than any other in its class.
The very definition of gaslighting is the injection of a false narrative in order to make the other person question various aspects of themselves. Isn’t that what you just did? Your very accusation is gaslighting. You know what it also is: being a hypocrite. What part of the facts that I presented are false narratives? If you can’t answer that, then let me re-iterate the points in which you are expecting Superior Drummer to account for:
Now, once again, let me re-iterate the question that I asked you earlier in a much more understandable form: what is the difference between all of these and your eDrums in the eyes of Superior Drummer? This is answered in a single word: nothing
I’ve worked with MIDI for over 4 decades on both the application and programming side. I think I know what I am talking about here.
Those are facts and not false narratives. Superior Drummer, or anything MIDI for that matter, does not know the difference between the non-inclusive list presented above. And because of how MIDI was developed four decades ago, it doesn’t have to care about where it gets its information. Hence the reason for mapping which ensures that the proper kit piece/articulation in Superior Drummer according to the MIDI note fired. Noted exceptions are in the absence of a kit piece within a group in which nearest neighbour rules apply. Simply put, it is a one to one translation and apart from the noted exception, it is expected not only firing a notes off my controller plays the expected note, but playing a groove or MIDI player (in the case of Logic Pro 11) fires the exact same kit piece (the latter has its own maps).
The last thing I would want from any of my controllers and players is for that map to change by itself when I change libraries. Otherwise nothing will play properly. If you want a new map, you can easily make one. In fact, by definition of intuitive (easy to understand and/or operate without explanation), this fits exactly in both its reasoning and its methodology. Counter intuitive doesn’t mean, “it’s not my job”.
This is a *forum*.. An invitation from Toontrack (in this case) to engage with their customers for amongst other things, critique & some suggestions.
As long as it’s not your suggestions, right? That’s what your last post was about. Or you wouldn’t have engaged in gaslighting, hypocrisy and overall trolling.
If you happen to disagree with a subject or posts within, might I suggest a little more decorum next time? It’s not that hard.
Remember that the next time you decide to respond to post in the manner in which you did. And if you do decide to respond, please stick to facts only.
jord
BlueMistralThe only solution I came across is to save each preset as a project, I ended up with 18, not bad…
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Thanked by: Greg BusbyTom ConnerIf you are playing SD3 live and/or want to switch presets quickly, say in a few seconds like on a drum module – which seems to me a reasonable goal – the only option I’m aware of is a VST host. It took me a little while to understand it having never used one before. But now that I have it setup it works well. You can even map your laptop keyboard or midi notes to switch presets.
Six piece DWe, Roland BT-1s/eDRUMin, SD3 (State of the Art, Stockholm, Hitmaker, Legacy of Rock, Decades, Death & Darkness, Fields of Rock, Stories), RME Fireface, JH Audio IEMs w/Fiio Amplifier, Porter & Davies, Razer 16 laptop
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Thanked by: Greg BusbyBlueMistralIf you are playing SD3 live and/or want to switch presets quickly, say in a few seconds like on a drum module – which seems to me a reasonable goal – the only option I’m aware of is a VST host. It took me a little while to understand it having never used one before. But now that I have it setup it works well. You can even map your laptop keyboard or midi notes to switch presets.
Superior Drummer 3 version: 3.3.7
Operating system: Windows 11
Yes, you mentioned Cantabile, but I’m using a mac, so no dice…
Bear-Faced CowGig Performer is available on Mac. There’s also MainStage, but I’m not sure how that ranks up to Gig Performer these days. I know a bunch of people on this forum are using Gig Performer.
jord
BlueMistralGig Performer is available on Mac. There’s also MainStage, but I’m not sure how that ranks up to Gig Performer these days. I know a bunch of people on this forum are using Gig Performer.
jord
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I’ll check it out thanks
Greg BusbyThe only solution I came across is to save each preset as a project, I ended up with 18, not bad…
This is it! That’s what I was missing – a simple way within SD3 to open both the SDX and the custom MIDI preset created for that SDX.
Thank you!
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