Mono outputs in Studio One 6? Is it possible?

[Tom Martini]

So I’ve had this disagreement with Presonus so maybe someone can clarify this for me. I can’t for the life of me figure out how to make a mono track for each mic in a kit in Studio One 6 coming from SD3. Presonus tells me it is because Toontrack didn’t program it to output as or to a mono track in a DAW but I have Pro Tools as well and can just add a mono intrument or audio track easily to route from SD3. I can’t believe Studio One 6 can’t do this but I’m new to it so I have tried everything and nothing allows a mono track. I am limited to the pairs of stereo outputs (1/2, 3/4, 5/6 etc)

All I have to do in Pro Tools is assign a kit mic to output to whatever out it is: let’s say Kick in, kick out, kick sub as example. Kick in would be 1L, kick out 2R, kick sub 3L etc for each channel and piece. I would use stereo for OH or room mics.  So does anyone use Studio One that can explain this to me? I can’t find anything about MONO channels anywhere and Presonus said Toontrack can’t do that because they didn’t program it… Thanks

 

Pro Tools uses AAX and Studio One 6 uses VST’s.

Superior Drummer 3 version: 3.3.3
Operating system: Windows 10

Windows 11
Dell XPS 8940
32GB ram i9-10 Core
Focusrite 18i20 Scarlett +
Focusrite Octo Pre MK II for 36 channels in
Protools Studio / Studio One 6.5 Artist

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[Tom Martini]

Why would a mono track go to a stereo master out to a DAW as stereo? There has got to be a way to export each track as a mono track into Studio One as a mono track instead of a stereo trac. Studio One doesn’t seem to recognise that 1/2 or any other stereo track as the left or right mono. I can’t figure this out at all. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks

Windows 11
Dell XPS 8940
32GB ram i9-10 Core
Focusrite 18i20 Scarlett +
Focusrite Octo Pre MK II for 36 channels in
Protools Studio / Studio One 6.5 Artist

[Brad]

Tom Martini wrote:

Why would a mono track go to a stereo master out to a DAW as stereo? There has got to be a way to export each track as a mono track into Studio One as a mono track instead of a stereo trac. Studio One doesn’t seem to recognise that 1/2 or any other stereo track as the left or right mono. I can’t figure this out at all. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks

Hi there,

Presonus is correct in that it expands the channels for a VI to whatever type of output is being “published” by the plug-in. In the case of SD3 they are stereo outputs. However that doesn’t stop you from converting those inputs once they are in the mixer. I’ll go over a couple of ways.

1) Change the pan type on the desired tracks to “Dual” and then centre them or pan them to the same location (L48 for example). This will create a mono channel panned. (This is new to Studio One V6).

OR……

2) Insert the Binaural Pan plug-in on the desired tracks and hit the “Mono” button. (This is the way you used to have to do it before V6, I think)

I hope some of this helps….

Actually a 3rd option, which is similar to the 1st, you can choose a binaural pan mode rather using the plug-in. Adjust the width to make the channel mono.

Superior Drummer 3 version: 3.3.3
Operating system: macOS Ventura (13)

Mac Studio M1 Max, RAM 64 GB, 1TB Drive, OSX 12.x/13.x and Windows 10 (VM)
DAW: Studio One Pro (always up to date)
DTX Express III (Extreme triggers), Nektar LX88
OWC Thunderbay Mini (4 X 1TB Sata SSD), Express 4M2 (4 X 2TB M.2 SSD), Envoy Express (1TB M.2 SSD)
Presonus Quantum, Faderport & Faderport 8
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2020 Macbook Pro 16GB RAM, 512GB SSD Audio(mobile rig)

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[Tom Martini]

Thank you so much!!! You are the first one to have something about this! Question though, if there are 3 mics on a piece, ex:  Kick  in, kick out, and kick sub and I output from SD3 as 1/2-in, 1/2-out, 3/4 sub. I would expect that the export would go to new tracks in SI as they do in Pro Tools. Is there any way to do this? There seems ot be no way to have 3 different tracks in S1. Does doing what you suggested actualy creat new tracks or just give it a way to split it L & R?  I will have ot try this and reprot back. THANKS AGAIN!!!!!!!

Windows 11
Dell XPS 8940
32GB ram i9-10 Core
Focusrite 18i20 Scarlett +
Focusrite Octo Pre MK II for 36 channels in
Protools Studio / Studio One 6.5 Artist

[Tom Martini]

Ok, so I routed all the stereo outputs from Superior Drummer 3 into Studio One and I now only have a possible 16 total inputs coming from Superior Drummer 3 with no way to separate any of them into invidual (dual mono) mono channels even if I assign mono tracks to output as two  (L & R mono for each stereo). This should definitally be addressed in an update as Pro Tools (not advocating for Avid but it’s true) can easily do this by right clicking and splitting to two mono tracs which makes L a mono out and R a mono out so you could assign kick in to L and kick out to R then you have 2 mono tracks for the kick in the channel mixer that can be processed and bused together again if need be. Whatever the stereo is assigned (kick in would be panned into left side of channel one and kick out could be 1R, then a kick sub 3/4 being 3L etc) and because it’sa mono track would be heard on both speakers as mono. What if I had stereo OH’s? I have to process them as one in a stereo track? Dumb.   I have no way of making each mic a channel or say 5 toms into 5 channels for panning or processing each with their own compression or eq etc. I would need at least 24 channels to bring the mics from my kit over to Studio One. I hope Presonus looks at this and gives us an update. I can’t find anyway to do this in S1-6 Artist at all so i’m stuck with only 16 total drum channels. Dumb.  Gotta stay with Pro Tools for now because it’s simple to do in PT. Come on Presonus fix this!

Windows 11
Dell XPS 8940
32GB ram i9-10 Core
Focusrite 18i20 Scarlett +
Focusrite Octo Pre MK II for 36 channels in
Protools Studio / Studio One 6.5 Artist

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[Mark King]

You can have mono tracks in Cubase also as there’s a switch in the settings

SD3 with older sdx,s plus Rooms of Hansa and Death & Darkness. Cubase and wavelab current versions. Roland TD50x using all trigger inputs for triggering SD3 only. Windows 11 computer. Various keyboards and outboard gear as well as VST instruments. Acoustic drums: Yamaha 9000 natural wood and Pearl masters. Various snare drums. RME BabyFace Pro FS and Adam A7X monitors

[Tom Martini]

Presonus states that Studio One 6 can’t split a stereo instrument output to 2 mono tracks within their software. They state that its a flaw with Toontrack’s coding and not on their side. I can do it no problem with Pro tools so I know it’s not a Toontrack issue.

Windows 11
Dell XPS 8940
32GB ram i9-10 Core
Focusrite 18i20 Scarlett +
Focusrite Octo Pre MK II for 36 channels in
Protools Studio / Studio One 6.5 Artist

[Brad]

Tom Martini wrote:

Presonus states that Studio One 6 can’t split a stereo instrument output to 2 mono tracks within their software. They state that its a flaw with Toontrack’s coding and not on their side. I can do it no problem with Pro tools so I know it’s not a Toontrack issue.

Hi (again)

There’s another option. Once you have constructed your drum track completely and are at the mixing phase, bounce the drums to mono tracks within SD3 and import everything into Studio One as mono files. (Under the advanced bounce options).

And as an aside, as you can see in my sig, I use both S1 and Pro Tools, there are things I like in both and it’s highly dependent on what I am working on and whom I am working for as to which DAW I use.

Might be worth while posting a feature request for Studio One.

Superior Drummer 3 version: 3.3.3
Operating system: macOS Ventura (13)

Mac Studio M1 Max, RAM 64 GB, 1TB Drive, OSX 12.x/13.x and Windows 10 (VM)
DAW: Studio One Pro (always up to date)
DTX Express III (Extreme triggers), Nektar LX88
OWC Thunderbay Mini (4 X 1TB Sata SSD), Express 4M2 (4 X 2TB M.2 SSD), Envoy Express (1TB M.2 SSD)
Presonus Quantum, Faderport & Faderport 8
Black Lion Sparrow Mk2 A/D, FMR-RNP-RNC, MIDI Xpress 128, BM5A, KRK VXT4, Equator D5
2020 Macbook Pro 16GB RAM, 512GB SSD Audio(mobile rig)

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[Tom Martini]

How do you bounce to mono right from SD3? I can’t figure out how to export anything mono from SD3 into S1.  I have always used Pro Tools for this and can do it there easily but Studio One 6 only sees any input from SD3 as a stereo track. I’m new to S1 as well so I’m still in the learnign phase and may not have learned how yet. I did submit this to Presonus but they keep saying it’s a Toontrack thing and do not comprehend what I’m trying ot tell them. Thanks again!

Windows 11
Dell XPS 8940
32GB ram i9-10 Core
Focusrite 18i20 Scarlett +
Focusrite Octo Pre MK II for 36 channels in
Protools Studio / Studio One 6.5 Artist

[Brad]

Tom Martini wrote:

How do you bounce to mono right from SD3? I can’t figure out how to export anything mono from SD3 into S1.  I have always used Pro Tools for this and can do it there easily but Studio One 6 only sees any input from SD3 as a stereo track. I’m new to S1 as well so I’m still in the learnign phase and may not have learned how yet. I did submit this to Presonus but they keep saying it’s a Toontrack thing and do not comprehend what I’m trying ot tell them. Thanks again!

Hi Thomas, sorry I am not at any of my rigs right now (I guess being Canadian I feel the need to apologize for that 🤣).

However, here’s a link to the “Track Menu” in the manual, scroll down to the “Bounce” section.

https://www.toontrack.com/manual/superior-drummer-3/7/7-1-the-track-menu/#7-1-1-bounce

Superior Drummer 3 version: 3.3.3
Operating system: macOS Ventura (13)

Mac Studio M1 Max, RAM 64 GB, 1TB Drive, OSX 12.x/13.x and Windows 10 (VM)
DAW: Studio One Pro (always up to date)
DTX Express III (Extreme triggers), Nektar LX88
OWC Thunderbay Mini (4 X 1TB Sata SSD), Express 4M2 (4 X 2TB M.2 SSD), Envoy Express (1TB M.2 SSD)
Presonus Quantum, Faderport & Faderport 8
Black Lion Sparrow Mk2 A/D, FMR-RNP-RNC, MIDI Xpress 128, BM5A, KRK VXT4, Equator D5
2020 Macbook Pro 16GB RAM, 512GB SSD Audio(mobile rig)

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