Mixing kicks

[Mick Avoidant]

I’m running Metal Machinery with the Tama Starclassic Sapele kicks. They’re in the backing tracks I gig with. One of the soundmen is asking me for louder kicks. Any louder, though, and the meters are into the red. The Starclassic Bubingas aren’t as loud.

Is there twin-kicks in another SDX, that cuts through heavy guitars and still sounds like kicks. I had Roomathon Kicks from an EXP before. They cut through well, but folk didn’t know what they such kicks sound like moaned about ‘not hearing’ them. Those kicks don’t sound at all the same in SD as they do in EZD.

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[Bear-Faced Cow]

It doesn’t sound like you have a volume problem. It sounds like your sound guy is masking the kick. They need to sort it out between the kick and the bass as they cannot occupy the same space for this very reason.

jord

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Jordan L. Chilcott

Web Site: https://jordanchilcottmusic.com/

[Mick Avoidant]

I’m the bass player and have active EQ on my Ibanez. I can cut the lows, which have been boosted. Thank you for your answer.

 

I’ve followed your link but get something about being at risk of phishing.

[Bear-Faced Cow]

Thanks for the warning on the link. Expired certificate… I’m going to have to check that.

jord

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Jordan L. Chilcott

Web Site: https://jordanchilcottmusic.com/

• This post was modified 1 year, 2 months ago by Bear-Faced Cow.

[Mick Avoidant]

It gets blocked on my Chrome browsers, Android and Windows, in the Samsung Android browser and Edge for Windows.

[Bear-Faced Cow]

It should be good now. We regenerated the Certs. Thanks for checking it out and letting me know.

probably a sign that I should be updating it a little more often. 😀

jord

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Jordan L. Chilcott

Web Site: https://jordanchilcottmusic.com/

• This post was modified 1 year, 2 months ago by Bear-Faced Cow.

[Mick Avoidant]

I’m in there now

[drumjack52]

It’s good here.

Superior Drummer 3 version: 3.3.6
Operating system: macOS High Sierra (10.13)

Jack
aka musicman691 on other forums
Superior Drummer 3.4.0
Area 33 1.0.0
Death and Darkness 1.0.1
PT 2021.6
OSX 10.13.6
3.46 GHz hex core 2012 MacPro 48 gig ram

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[Mick Avoidant]

Jord, I’ve looked at the audio spectrum of my bass and the kick. You’re right about them fighting for the same seat. I don’t mind buying an SDX with the ideal kick for my songs. Can I send you a song so that you can hear what I’m dealing with?

Superior Drummer 3 version: 3.3.6
Operating system: Windows 11

[Bear-Faced Cow]

You obviously found me 🙂

You should be able to message me. I’ll have a listen.

jord

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Jordan L. Chilcott

Web Site: https://jordanchilcottmusic.com/

[drumjack52]

Mick Avoidant wrote:

Jord, I’ve looked at the audio spectrum of my bass and the kick. You’re right about them fighting for the same seat. I don’t mind buying an SDX with the ideal kick for my songs. Can I send you a song so that you can hear what I’m dealing with?

Superior Drummer 3 version: 3.3.6
Operating system: Windows 11

I’d look at Death and Darkness especially the Death part. There’s double kicks there. And that SDX is not just for Metal or heavy music either.

Superior Drummer 3 version: 3.3.6
Operating system: macOS High Sierra (10.13)

Jack
aka musicman691 on other forums
Superior Drummer 3.4.0
Area 33 1.0.0
Death and Darkness 1.0.1
PT 2021.6
OSX 10.13.6
3.46 GHz hex core 2012 MacPro 48 gig ram

[Bear-Faced Cow]

Had a listen to the song (finally). The kick is definitely big to where I can’t really hear the bass. If you have an expansion pack with a smaller and tighter kick, that would help greatly. As Jack suggested, Death & Darkness is a good choice as the kicks are tighter and punchier. The other good choices are the EZD3 core library (seeing as I know you have that) as well as the Signature EZX. Michael Ilbert is good for punchy kits.

Hope this helps

jord

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Jordan L. Chilcott

Web Site: https://jordanchilcottmusic.com/

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[Mick Avoidant]

Bear-Faced Cow wrote:

Had a listen to the song (finally). The kick is definitely big to where I can’t really hear the bass. If you have an expansion pack with a smaller and tighter kick, that would help greatly. As Jack suggested, Death & Darkness is a good choice as the kicks are tighter and punchier. The other good choices are the EZD3 core library (seeing as I know you have that) as well as the Signature EZX. Michael Ilbert is good for punchy kits.

Hope this helps

jord

You would have heard the bass guitar a lot better, if I’d sent you a mix with bass guitar in it. I’ll try again.

[Bear-Faced Cow]

LOL! I will have a listen shortly.

jord

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Jordan L. Chilcott

Web Site: https://jordanchilcottmusic.com/

[Bear-Faced Cow]

Had a listen on my walk and it is just as I thought. The kick drum and bass are competing to the point where the kick is being overpowered. My opinion is that the song is getting its power from the bass. Thus, I wouldn’t want to do anything to it. I’m thinking a smaller and tighter kick would help push the song forward. The packs mentioned above would probably help. I would first try some of the kicks from your currently owned libraries and try stacking a sample on top, to get that extra push.

jord

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Jordan L. Chilcott

Web Site: https://jordanchilcottmusic.com/

• This post was modified 1 year, 2 months ago by Bear-Faced Cow.

[Mick Avoidant]

Bear-Faced Cow wrote:

Had a listen on my walk and it is just as I thought. The kick drum and bass are competing to the point where the kick is being overpowered. My opinion is that the song is getting its power from the bass. Thus, I wouldn’t want to do anything to it. I’m thinking a smaller and tighter kick would help push the song forward. The packs mentioned above would probably help. I would first try some of the kicks from your currently owned libraries and try stacking a sample on top, to get that extra push.

jord

• This post was modified 1 year, 2 months ago by Bear-Faced Cow.

Great answer. I’ll try a kick with its hit at I higher freq. Roomathon kick in Metal, which I already have, might do it.

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