Mixing down individual tracks, kitpieces vs. mixer channels, please help

[LeanderL]

Hi! How should I mix down individual tracks from the...

Hi!

How should I mix down individual tracks from the my song in midi format inside the Superior Drummer VSTi to audio so I reduce RAM usage and can finetune everything later?

I would like to have one audio track for the kickdrum(s), one for snare, one for toms, one for crashes, one for hihat, one for other cymbals…should I click the “drums” view of SD and solo the kitpiece, e.g. the snare or all toms, then export my song/bounce it so get the first track? Then repeat for all other kitpieces… OR should I leave the “drums” view untouched, but go to “mixer” and solo the channels there?

The problem is that I would normally go for the first approach with kitpieces, BUT there is bleed and there are ambience channels…I don’t know if soloing the e.g. snare will automatically get the individual bleed and ambience signals as well, from all channels with the snare… or if my kitpiece approach will lead to losing the broad sound because bleed and ambience are lost?

What do you recommend? Mixing the song with one kitpiece per track is easier…I can e.g. raise certain parts or lower the volume per track and not having the complete drums in the playback.

SeelenPuls ~ Poetic metal from Austria: SeelenPuls.at
Grummelgnom ~ Sociocritical metal from the forest: Grummelgnom.at

Hi!

How should I mix down individual tracks from the my song in midi format inside the Superior Drummer VSTi to audio so I reduce RAM usage and can finetune everything later?

I would like to have one audio track for the kickdrum(s), one for snare, one for toms, one for crashes, one for hihat, one for other cymbals…should I click the “drums” view of SD and solo the kitpiece, e.g. the snare or all toms, then export my song/bounce it so get the first track? Then repeat for all other kitpieces… OR should I leave the “drums” view untouched, but go to “mixer” and solo the channels there?

The problem is that I would normally go for the first approach with kitpieces, BUT there is bleed and there are ambience channels…I don’t know if soloing the e.g. snare will automatically get the individual bleed and ambience signals as well, from all channels with the snare… or if my kitpiece approach will lead to losing the broad sound because bleed and ambience are lost?

What do you recommend? Mixing the song with one kitpiece per track is easier…I can e.g. raise certain parts or lower the volume per track and not having the complete drums in the playback.

SeelenPuls ~ Poetic metal from Austria: SeelenPuls.at
Grummelgnom ~ Sociocritical metal from the forest: Grummelgnom.at

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[John]

Hi,

not sure I understand the problem exactly even though I read all the posts and I couldn’t open your posted presets for some reason.

If an instrument sounds different in a multi-out scenario compared to a single stereo out it’s always what happens in the signal path to the stereo out and then doesn’t in the multi-out scenario that creates the difference.

Also, this can indeed be solved inside SD3:

Moreover, multiout does not let me manually increase the volume of the e.g. hihat at 2 minute 2 seconds to 2 minute 8 seconds…I can do that with audio files and volume envelopes.

This can be done via Macro and/or binding to CC, either the Instrument’s/Articulation’s Volume slider or any of the Mixer faders or both.
This can be controlled by recording the CC via a controller or by drawing in the Grid Editor.

BR,
John

John Rammelt - Toontrack
Technical Advisor

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[LeanderL]

Thank you!

SeelenPuls ~ Poetic metal from Austria: SeelenPuls.at
Grummelgnom ~ Sociocritical metal from the forest: Grummelgnom.at

[LeanderL]

Hi!

I have a mixing question. The advantage of multiout is that you can draw a volume envelope and increase or decrease a certain part for kitpieces that have multiouts. e.g. I draw the volume envelope for the snare out and decrease the song part from 1 minute 2 seconds to 1 minute and 10 seconds by 3db.

BUT: What about bleed? The snare bleeds into the reverb and comp multiouts. Should I use the same volume envelope adjustments for the reverb/rvb and comp multiouts I used for the snare out? BUT the reverb and comp mulitouts don’t have snare hits only, but various other kitpieces bleed into them…so decreasing the volume there would also affect the volume of other kitpieces.

How can I adjust the volume of a single kitpiece, e.g. snare if it bleeds into other outputs?

Do you know what I mean?

Thanks,

Leander

SeelenPuls ~ Poetic metal from Austria: SeelenPuls.at
Grummelgnom ~ Sociocritical metal from the forest: Grummelgnom.at

[Bear-Faced Cow]

Those are not bleeds. They are send channels and as long as your send is set to Post Fader as shown, you shouldn’t have to adjust the send manually when you automate your kit pieces that feed into your send channel.

Bleed is something entirely different.

jord

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Jordan L. Chilcott

Web Site: https://jordanchilcottmusic.com/

[LeanderL]

Thanks!

SeelenPuls ~ Poetic metal from Austria: SeelenPuls.at
Grummelgnom ~ Sociocritical metal from the forest: Grummelgnom.at

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