Mixer problems, official Toontrack kits too loud?

[LeanderL]

When checking out a preset, I noticed it was too loud…then I checked the official Toontrack presets -> e.g. “Corpse” from Death and Darkness and found out the kit is too loud too. Shouldn’t a kit be below 0 in order to avoid distortion?

 

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[drumjack52]

Where are you seeing that things are too loud? I don’t see anything in your screenshot that says so.

Superior Drummer 3 version: 3.3.6
Operating system: macOS High Sierra (10.13)

Jack
aka musicman691 on other forums
Superior Drummer 3.4.1
Area 33 1.0.0
Death and Darkness 1.0.1
PT 2021.6
OSX 10.13.6
3.46 GHz hex core 2012 MacPro 48 gig ram

[LeanderL]

The value I’ve marked pink. 3.3 … shouldn’t it be below 0?

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Grummelgnom ~ Sociocritical metal from the forest: Grummelgnom.at

[drumjack52]

LeanderL wrote:

The value I’ve marked pink. 3.3 … shouldn’t it be below 0?

I see no value showing in your mixer screenshot. Tried that same preset on my system with max velocity and couldn’t even come near to overload or excess level. This is in standalone mode. Did you change any of the mixer levels? As long as a signal is still in the box you can light up an overload indicator with no real problem.

Superior Drummer 3 version: 3.3.6
Operating system: macOS High Sierra (10.13)

Jack
aka musicman691 on other forums
Superior Drummer 3.4.1
Area 33 1.0.0
Death and Darkness 1.0.1
PT 2021.6
OSX 10.13.6
3.46 GHz hex core 2012 MacPro 48 gig ram

[LeanderL]

My screenshot shows 3.3 at the output… 3.3 was the peak when playing some stock midi. Shouldn’t the volume sum be under 0 db?

SeelenPuls ~ Poetic metal from Austria: SeelenPuls.at
Grummelgnom ~ Sociocritical metal from the forest: Grummelgnom.at

[Bear-Faced Cow]

Most DAW’s use floating point audio. The volume of the drums are okay going in. Distortion will only be a problem when mixing down to in integer format without ensuring that you have enough headroom.

jord

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[John]

Hi LeanderL,

Jack and Jord are right, internally (Standalone or DAW) it doesn’t matter and since it’s dependant on how you play, the density, plus the fact that over the years people generally have complained about the presets being too low in volume; I wouldn’t think it’s something that need to/will be adjusted. If you are going directly from an output in the SD3 mixer to a hardware output and experience distorsion, you simply lower the output fader.

BR,
John

John Rammelt - Toontrack
Technical Advisor

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[LeanderL]

Ok, thank you! I am afraid to mess something up when track bouncing them. 😀

SeelenPuls ~ Poetic metal from Austria: SeelenPuls.at
Grummelgnom ~ Sociocritical metal from the forest: Grummelgnom.at

[David J Collier]

Unless I am reading this wrong can you not just use the master volume in the bottom right corner to bring the whole kit down??

Superior Drummer 3 version: 3.3.6
Operating system: macOS Ventura (13)

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