Gerry PetersI have superior 3, and I would like to know if I can remove some of the articulations in the midi mapping keys on the far right column. Whenever I add a new instrument, it sometimes deletes an articulation in the midi mapping keys that’s an important articulation. It would be nice to remove many of the articulations in the area where an 88 keyboard does not play. For instance, midi notes, 1-20 and also 109-127. I could put some articulations from new instruments there.
I also have a drum map built into my DAW where I can choose which midi notes trigger the notes in the midi mapping keys. So if I can add new instruments in the lower or upper range of the midi mapping keys and then use my drum map to assign them to which ever key on my midi keyboard I want.
When I drag an articulation in the midi mapping keys to another key that already has an articulation, do those articulations simply swap so if I moved mid mapping note 17 to midi mapping note 24 would, the articulation that was originally at 24 be swapped to 17 or is it more erratic?
Bear-Faced CowIt doesn’t sound like you are using the MIDI/E-Drums setting. That is where you should be assigning your mappings.
jord
Gerry PetersI’m playing drums on my keyboard, not drum pads. i’m not sure if MIDI/E-Drums applies to my situation. Also I never use the grooves browser or the timeline, I always make up my own drum patterns to fit each song I’m doing.
I just went to Settings / MIDI/E-Drums and hit use Preset and then played all the regular notes I use when I play drums on keyboard. I use only a few kits from custom presets I made. Should I be using the MIDI/E-Drums setting for assigning my mappings in my situation? Please explain.
Bear-Faced CowThe fact that you are playing drums on your keyboard has zero bearing. MIDI is agnostic… IOW it doesn’t differentiate between E-Drums, keyboard or MIDI pad controllers (which basically what an E-Drum kit is.. a glorified MIDI pad controller that you can beat up with sticks) and has been this way for 43 years. To add further to this, I’m using Logic Pro 11, which have a feature called Session Players. The “session drummer” has its own mapping. Creating a map using the MIDI/E-Drum setting within Superior Drummer allows Logic to play session player MIDI regions directly. Superior Drummer doesn’t know nor care where the MIDI came from.
MIDI/E-drums setting is where you should be mapping your keyboard. It is where you want to translate all of your incoming MIDI information into Superior Drummer.
jord
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Thanked by: Scott EshlemanGerry PetersI went to Settings Midi in /E drums and altered the default template to not have notes playing anything above midi note 74 and when I play my keyboard that’s the case. I added a kick and was surprised it added it to note #35 which was already being used, instead of putting in a note above 74.
The MIDI Mapping keys are still using the notes assigned from 74 and above. If I go to the Midi Mapping keys in the far right column and hit notes above 74 they still play. Is there a way when I add a new instrument for it to go where I want it instead of it taking the place of a note like 35 that is already assigned?
JohnHi,
if I understand you correctly, I suspect you are mixing up the two ‘map’ functions. The MIDI Mapping on the DRUMS page is the actual ‘hard-wired’ notes (where you are looking at the keyboard layout to the right. Altering the notes there breaks compatibility with Grooves (and Projects) and the only way to save what you have altered note-wise is to Save the entire Project.
The plug-in will try to keep compatibility with the Toontrack Extended MIDI layout as much as it can when you add/remove Instruments on the DRUMS page.
When you edit the mapping on the MIDI In/E-drums page, the underlying original layout is intact, keeping basic compatibility, while you can define a layout that suits your controller and playing style better. This Input Transforming is happening live on what is fed to the plug-in, i.e. when you play something on a keyboard/kit or from a DAW track.
You can still play back grooves internally.
If you have no use of Toontrack, 3rd party or GM MIDI Grooves and only need a specialised kit setup, you can indeed alter the MIDI notes on the DRUMS page but the plug-in will always strive for MIDI note compatibility when you add instruments and articulations; User Instruments being an exception IIRC.
Also: Superior Drummer 3 includes a drum/articulation Substitution System, allowing it to play back MIDI sequences even if notes for the drums/articulations included in that MIDI sequence are not currently loaded in the Drums Tab. This intelligent system will automatically choose the next most appropriate loaded drum/articulation to play when it encounters a MIDI note that is mapped to an unloaded drum/articulation.
BR,
John
John Rammelt - Toontrack
Technical Advisor
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Thanked by: Andrew Payne and Scott EshlemanGerry PetersI never use Grooves. I manually play the drums on my keyboard.
I did find a workaround. When you choose Add Instrument at the far right bottom select More and “add without midi assignment. This way I can choose which midi note I want to map it to.
I was able to add a bunch of snares and kicks to midi notes I don’t use, this way I can quickly audition snares and kicks. In Sonar I have a Midi map that I can assign any note to a different snare
Andrew PayneI am one of the few that fits into this category. I set up my own kits that I use only for playing and recording on a large e-drum setup with lots of additional user instruments. In this scenario I manually map in the DRUMS page so that every one of my user kits across multiple libraries has the same number of triggers and same MIDI mapping for each. That way I can easily move between my many user kits in various libraries without having to change any mapping presets and can have a single drum map in my DAW. Also the MIDI matches the physical trigger notes from my 2 x modules and edrumin10. Works well for me and I know that I cannot use any Toontrack MIDI grooves etc with these kits. cheers, Andrew
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