making a new kit, can add any drum, but ride cymbal only allows me 2?

[Jason Bass]

So I went to make a new kit from scratch loaded an empty kit, and going drum by drum i was able to go to search and it showed me EVERY kick/snare/tom/etc from EVERY kit from ther superior drummer 3 library, metal foundry SDX, indiependent SDX, NY Avatar SDX, some other EZ drummer pack even, but when I went to assign a ride cymbal, ALL of them came up silent when i’d click on them where all the others made the sound of that instrument and allowed me to assign it to that spot, except the ride only allowed me to hear and assign 2 ride cymbals from the NY Avatar SDX, any idea why on earth that would be and how i might get around it?

Also once i made and saved that kit, i like to do the multi outputs to my DAW (ableton) which was never an issue before, but for some reason even though i loaded an empty kit and assigned drum by drum and cymbal by cymbal and outputted them all to ableton fine, the mixer in SD3 had already seemed to be “auto mixed”? faders were in different places not all 0’d out and they had plug ins assigned to them that I did not assign, including tracks that had compressors and such and when i assigned them all it then expanded the SD3 mixer to make like, duplicates of all these tracks that when i got rid of them, no sound went to my DAW even though monitoring was set to ON and the outputs in Sd3 mixer and inputs on ableton were all set correctly, and when i allowed it to have these duplicate tracks in the SD3 mixer, it made sound through ableton fine?

ALSO i was wondering but could find no way to do this, i know when routing multi outputs from SD3 to your DAW you have to start with 3/4, 5/6, 7/8. 9/10, 11/12, etc, which is of course fine for stereo tracks to me like overheads, but even in the SD3 mixer tracks like the kick, snare, hi hat, toms, etc. are MONO, and i’d MUCH rather just output THOSE in mono and only the overheads and other stereo tracks as stereo, but i can’t find a way to do this, it’s like we HAVE to output these mono tracks as stereo even though they’re mono? Or am i wrong and there is a way to output the mono tracks from SD3 to ableton as mono tracks and then just stereo tracks like overheads as stereo?

Thanks!

Superior Drummer 3 version: 3.3.1
Operating system: macOS Monterey (12)

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[John]

Hi,

first of all, I would ask you to update to the latest available version, currently 3.3.6. Now, let’s see if I can answer your questions:

When you start with an empty kit, it still depends which library you have active, as it ‘sets the stage’ so to speak. If I clear the Kit with Area 33 loaded, I have 15 Cymbal slots and 8 Tom slots to start from,  as opposed to e.g. the American EZX who has 3 Cymbal slots and 2 Tom slots.
Of course, you can always add new Instruments and assign notes and Microphone Outputs, etc but I digress. I would rather suspect that updating to the current version has more to do with not hearing certain Instruments when auditioning but it *could* have something to do with an auto-assigned microphone being Muted in the Mixer.

Also, if you started with a Preset that had EQ/FX/Sends and Busses active, clearing the Kit doesn’t clear those.

If you run into unexpected output problems, please right-click the Instrument in question and check the Microphone assignments. Don’t forget you can create a new Mixer channel for an Instruments Close and/or Bleed signals.

The plug-in itself needs to be inserted on a Stereo Instrument Track and the first two outputs of the plug-in are hard-wired to 1+2.
Due to many compatibility challenges, all the outputs from the plug-in are Stereo. This *can* be circumvented, though.
Different hosts handle splitting the Stereo outputs differently, though. In Pro Tools it’s very easy, in Logic it’s not. I wrote a lengthy post with an example on how to set that up a while ago, if you want to check that out (it involves the Logic Environment). I have not done this in Ableton but I *think* you need to use the ‘Mono’ utility in the Mixer.

BR,
John

John Rammelt - Toontrack
Technical Advisor

[Jason Bass]

Thank you very much that appears to have done it! I updated and seleted the metal foundry and was able to select all drum and cymbal sounds when constructing a kit and it didn’t do the weird stuff where it applied all kinds of eq’s and effects and such without me touching them. Thanks!

Superior Drummer 3 version: 3.3.6
Operating system: macOS Monterey (12)

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