RyanrrrHi All,
Ive been playing around alot lately with creating my own drum kit sounds by layering kit parts.
Ive really been struggling with the Cymbals and toms, as it’s really hard to find the right pitch/note in the tuning function, so that they layer nicely together without any dissonance or obvious difference.
Anyone got any good ideas or ways to get around this? (Other than just going up and down the tuning function in hope its sounds right. My ears not that good and sometimes ill go through a full octave and still not find the right tuning).
I dont if anyone has anything like a plugin which identifies the note of a sample? Like an electric guitar tuner pedal does.
Any help would muchly be appreciated!
Thanks
KorkenI suggest you keep trying with the tuning function, but put attention in the following: when you layer a new tom, do play both separately and try to identify which one sounds higher in pitch. Then play both together. When two tones are relative near in frequency, you will hear a sound that is modulated, that is you will hear as the volume turns up and down slowly. Tune up or down (depending on the first step) the new layered tom, until you don’t hear this up and down volume in the resulting sound.
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Bear-Faced CowI’m a little confused as to why you would want to layer toms and cymbals in such a manner. Cymbals are rather a tonal and the result is mainly going to be noise upon noise. In the case of toms, you are dealing with differences in resonanaces. When I’m doing such kit pieces, it’s more for the transient impact. Thus I will use an envelope to keep the transient and remove the rest of the kit piece.
jord
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Thanked by: RyanrrrRyanrrrI do predict alot of trial and error layering toms and it may not work; wont know until I get past the tuning issue.
I use SD3 soley for e-druming and am looking for the most real life drum sounding samples possible. For this im looking to have a full and wide frequency range to give that real life sound.
To give you an example of the idea, it comes from what I have done on the snare and kick drums. Ill use snare as an example; ill take a cracky high end snare, and then layer a snare with a lot of low end for body and punch. Ill aggressively EQ (to the point of completely taking out the upper mids and high end) edit the release(s), adjust velocity curves (so the low end and mid gives body to the high velocity hits (like you would get from a real life snare)) and edit both layers so they sit perfectly inside of each other. Also do another one for the mids if needed. Takes a bloody long time to get it right and is a lot of work but it just gives more control for what im going for, when compared to just taking one snare and EQing, compressing and adding transient effects to taste.
although, I can get away with the snare and kick layers not being spot on the same note (especially after taking off the release). Doesn’t seem to be the case for the toms…
Now my toms just sound and feel really weak, hence the post. Granted I did say cymbals , but I dont really expect that would work; other than maybe adding a underlining washy crash/ride to the bow of the ride. Just so I can get ping and wash as I find the bow of most rides to be to dry and pingy.
Any ideas? I’m even thinking of buying a handheld tuning device and just playing the sound out my speaker.. haha
RyanrrrSorry just re-read your post haha. Differences in resonance may be the issue and reducing the release on the envelope greatly helps. I do still find I can hear a note difference on the impact sound laying toms.
KorkenI’m a little confused as to why you would want to layer toms and cymbals in such a manner. Cymbals are rather a tonal and the result is mainly going to be noise upon noise. In the case of toms, you are dealing with differences in resonanaces. When I’m doing such kit pieces, it’s more for the transient impact. Thus I will use an envelope to keep the transient and remove the rest of the kit piece.
jord
Hello Jordan, actually I watched a video of Shootie (I don’t recall if it was open or in member area), where he stacked two toms and the difference between pitch was audible. When they sounded together, the modulation was evident. He tried with tuning to match the pitch and modulation disappeared. I tried to reproduce it, with similar experience.
Another thing that one can take care is when one wants to use the attack of just one of the pieces, using the resonance of both and that is a good task for the envelope control.
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Thanked by: RyanrrrBear-Faced CowYou’re telling me what I already mentioned. And yes, I’ve seen the video from Shootie as well.
I know you can, but just because you can donsn’t always mean you should.
jord
RyanrrrI’m a little confused as to why you would want to layer toms and cymbals in such a manner. Cymbals are rather a tonal and the result is mainly going to be noise upon noise. In the case of toms, you are dealing with differences in resonanaces. When I’m doing such kit pieces, it’s more for the transient impact. Thus I will use an envelope to keep the transient and remove the rest of the kit piece.
jord
Hello Jordan, actually I watched a video of Shootie (I don’t recall if it was open or in member area), where he stacked two toms and the difference between pitch was audible. When they sounded together, the modulation was evident. He tried with tuning to match the pitch and modulation disappeared. I tried to reproduce it, with similar experience.
Another thing that one can take care is when one wants to use the attack of just one of the pieces, using the resonance of both and that is a good task for the envelope control.
Ah ill have to check out that video! Thanks
KorkenYou’re telling me what I already mentioned. And yes, I’ve seen the video from Shootie as well.
I know you can, but just because you can donsn’t always mean you should.
jord
well, ok, I didn’t see the thing about the light pitch differences and tuning in that post, that’s why my comment. But in the end we are talking about the same I guess.
@Ryanrrr I am not able to find which video it was at the moment.
RyanrrrOkay I figured it out (was quite obvious actually) in case anyone else comes across this..!
i downloaded an tuner app on my phone and just played the sound out the laptop speakers.
I see why I couldn’t get the toms to fit by ear – the pitch/note bends into another note on some of the tom samples (like both jord and korken said) so have to be a bit picky on the selection. The tuner app leaves no room for error and tells you exactly where to go with the tuning.
Plus you can use the pitch effect to adjust the pitch bend.
I also needed to offset one of the tom samples, as it sounded like there was a delay/latency. But my god, it sounds so much better.. not even tightened it up yet or EQ or compressed
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