How To Identify Patterns After Dropping Into Midi Track?

[Gary Stephens]

I need to know how to identify EZD patterns after the fact……after I drag and drop them into a midi track in Sonar.
 
The clip properties will tell me the clip title is “EVR_Rd_G03c_G04:18” and that is meaningless to me when I try to translate that to the user-friendly names in EZD’s groove listings.
 
Sometimes I do a partial drum track, it gets late and I fall asleep at the wheel. I wake up with “qwerty” embossed on my forehead, and I cannot begin to remember if the last pattern I dropped was Nashville, Vintage Rock, FunkMasters, or Pop, let alone which variation it was.
 
How can I tell which patterns are in my Sonar midi track without running the clip titles thru a Cray supercomputer decryption cracker? Why did you folks at Toontrack make those clip titles so darn cryptic, anyway?

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[Rogue]

if you consider how many grooves there are combining all EZX-s thus far, and how many distinct but descriptive ways there are to name them, the reason should be pretty obvious 😉

Anyway, each group of letters correspond to a level in the browser. Each letter in a group is a shorthand for the full name, with provision for duplicate categories.

So in your example,

Ezx Vintage Rock_
4th (d) Rock instance (Slow Tempo)_
3rd (c) Groove 03 instance (Rebel Music)_
Groove 04

… and the cherry on the cake, velocity sweep value before drag and drop: 18

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[Gary Stephens]

I’m a musician…… nothing is obvious!   Only ex-girlfriends believe things should have been obvious to a musician. LOL!!
 
Thanks, I believe I understand. Not a scheme I woulda come up with myself, but that’s why the experts are making EZD and I’m just making noise! And yes, the final value is a nice cherry, that value is actually very important in how the clips sound in the mix.
 
If it’s alright with you I will share this “interpretive method” with the Sonar forum using an explanatory screen shot.
 
SC

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[Rogue]

it’s not a problem, it’s not officially documented to keep things simple for newcomers so it’s nice if it spreads out another way than through this forum (where the question get asked once a year and ultimately gets drown under the amount of info available here).

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[DannyDep]

Please allow me to be the 2010, once a year newcomer, who is looking at soundchaser59’s clip title “EVR_Rd_G03c_G04:18”
and seeing your methodology in your example,  I still can’t figure out what my clip title is supposed to be, other than
EP standing for EZDrummer Pop/Rock.  Did I get it right so far?
“EP_Fb_4F2_F10”
Since there are 4 columns in the EZD browser, can I assume that each section of the clip title represents the corresponding column in the browser?
Could you be more specific in your description of what each letter or number represents?
Since the program must know these abbreviated clip titles it puts in my DAW (Cubase 5) track window, wouldn’t it be user friendly if you displayed
the abbreviation, for example, right above column 4 playing variations for whatever groove was loaded at the time?
Or at the very least, document your naming conventions in the PDF Manual?
Thanks in advance.

[Rogue]

ORIGINAL: DannyDep
can I assume that each section of the clip title represents the corresponding column in the browser?

you can do better than assume, I said so in this topic 😉

Could you be more specific in your description of what each letter or number represents?

Within sections, each particle of the label is usually represented (one word = one letter, 2 word label = 2 lettters, etc). When a distinction needs to be made then a lowercase extension (b,c,d,etc) is added so you know that the few first possible candidates are to be ignored.

wouldn’t it be user friendly if you displayed the abbreviation, for example, right above column 4 playing variations for whatever groove was loaded at the time?

Possibly. I’m not convinced that would help much (certainly finding the groove) but perhaps it would help learning by examples…

I know this subject bothers quite a lot of people – but it is a good system that has few alternatives that can scale to what our platform is already and will become in the future. That said suggestions such as this one are welcome and may appear in the future, but evaluating what true benefit these may bring is required.

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[Peter Hilgendorf]

Thanks for the info, though I’m still having trouble. i don’t understand the last part–I don’t see any downside to making them easier to identify. The absolute wonderfulness of EZD for my needs would only be increased by a longer or more descriptive file name since this has been a common obstacle for me. I know it would be simple to just write it down but I very often am working on the spur of the moment. A couple instances I’ve thrown a fill from a different groove in, only to never locate it again… aargh. It only gets worse as I add libraries!

Thanks for the info, I’ll try to think on this some more and then WRITE EM DOWN!

Mark

[Juicy]

The Cherry on the cake-including Velocity sweep in the files name is very cool rogue.

[Peter Hilgendorf]

How about a thread that we can post a file name and someone will answer what it is!? Just kidding (kind of). If I wasn’t too lazy to write things down I probably wouldn’t be too lazy to program midi tracks!

[bflatman]

My question is, in Cubase 5 and ez drummer 2 the identifiers you reference in the above post do not show up in my drum track within cubase 5. the only identifer I have is “EZ Drummer 01”

[John]

@bflatman:

EZdrummer 2 does not follow this old scheme, currently Superior 2 and EZplayer Pro only.
EZdrummer has the ability find the groove in the browser if you right-click it on the Song Track, so either:
you save a copy of your used grooves on the Song Track without it Following Host, as a kind of sketch pad, or
you record the MIDI groove from your host track to the Song Track, check the borders (correctly set to the same Bars as the original groove dropped), then right-click and Find with Tap2Find. That has yet to fail me, works all the time.

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[bflatman]

So if I purchase EZ Player Pro, I would then have identifiers within my cubase track?
The song creator area is a limited space and it is easier for me to drag a midi pattern to my drum track within cubase & “see” the pattern and continue building within cubase. Just a visual way for me to have my own workflow.

Love the program and the drums are fantastic !!!!!

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