Tom ConnerHi, I am new to SD3 and am loving it so far for edrumming. I recently bought the Hitmaker SDX, and it sounds great, but when I hit my third rack tom it triggers the 2nd rack tom, the other two and the floor tom work fine. I think this is happening since there is no rack tom 3 in Hitmaker. The midi notes from rack tom 3 that work in the other libraries I have, including Hitmaker Machines, are instead being sent to rack tom 2. In other words, rack tom 2 and 3 midi in notes are only mapped out to rack tom 2 in Hitmaker since there is no rack tom 3. If I make a midi mapping user preset I can fix this, but then I can’t use that mapping preset for any other drum libraries since it would break those tom mappings.
Do I need to switch back and forth between these two midi user presets whenever I want to play a Hitmaker kit?
DWe six piece kit, Roland BT-1s/eDRUMin, RME Fireface interface, JH Audio IEMs w/Fiio Amp, Porter & Davies transducer, Razer 16 laptop, SD3 (State of the Art, Stockholm, Hitmaker, Legacy of Rock, Decades, Death & Darkness, Fields of Rock, Stories)
drumjack52Not trying to be sarcastic but one way to solve this is by remembering to NOT hit rack tom 3. But seriously try changing the mapping in the SDX itself. I know TT says to not make mapping changes there because it would mess up things if you played the stock grooves. What I did here because of the way that I work and use General MIDI mapping is to write a custom MIDI preset that properly does the mapping as the GM mapping TT has is wrong as regards the rack tom mapping. GM mapping goes on the basis of 4 rack toms and TT only maps 3 and those are wrong. I use that mapping for the stock library as well as Death & Darkness and I never have a problem with tom wrong hits in any of the libraries.
I would look at the mapping for Hitmaker on the main page and make your changes there.
Jack
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Superior Drummer 3.4.0
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OSX 10.13.6
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Bear-Faced CowSuperior Drummer 3 (and EZ Drummer for that matter) group instruments of the same category so that unmapped notes in the same category will still fire an instrument as opposed to just leaving them in the ether. This is also so that grooves which may use these pieces will still sound. If you don’t want it to fire, then create a drum map. You can always switch maps when going to a different library.
jord
Tom ConnerThanks guys! It sounds like you are both describing going into settings and manually switching between user drum map midi presets when using this library and switching back when done. In other words, a single drum map can’t be used for this library that works with other libraries – including Hitmaker Machines which has the regular four rack toms. Is that right?
DWe six piece kit, Roland BT-1s/eDRUMin, RME Fireface interface, JH Audio IEMs w/Fiio Amp, Porter & Davies transducer, Razer 16 laptop, SD3 (State of the Art, Stockholm, Hitmaker, Legacy of Rock, Decades, Death & Darkness, Fields of Rock, Stories)
drumjack52Thanks guys! It sounds like you are both describing going into settings and manually switching between user drum map midi presets when using this library and switching back when done. In other words, a single drum map can’t be used for this library that works with other libraries – including Hitmaker Machines which has the regular four rack toms. Is that right?
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If you do that keep in mind that the rack toms actually have 3 notes assigned – center, rim shot and rim only. IMO TT should have left the notes ‘out in the ether’. As I mentioned the MIDI mapping leaves a lot to be desired especially if you use General MIDI drum mapping. Imagine pulling a loop or sequence off the web that uses GM mapping and the rack toms don’t sound right especially if what you pull off has 4 rack toms.
Jack
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Superior Drummer 3.4.0
Area 33 1.0.0
Death and Darkness 1.0.1
PT 2021.6
OSX 10.13.6
3.46 GHz hex core 2012 MacPro 48 gig ram
Mark KingLike I mentioned in the vdrum forum. Yes you do have to make different midi presets. I have quite a few. It’s not a big deal switching.
SD3 with older sdx,s plus Rooms of Hansa and Death & Darkness. Cubase and wavelab current versions. Roland TD50x using all trigger inputs for triggering SD3 only. Windows 11 computer. Various keyboards and outboard gear as well as VST instruments. Acoustic drums: Yamaha 9000 natural wood and Pearl masters. Various snare drums. RME BabyFace Pro FS and Adam A7X monitors
Tom ConnerOh hey Mark, yah I figured I would post here as well to see if anybody had a solution. And yes drumjack, would need to remap all three midi notes for toms. I think the takeaway here is that SD3 is not intended for live edrumming use. It’s not desirable to have to spend time on your laptop swapping out midi map presets on stage in between songs, and then back again. And this in addition to the time it takes to change drum presets only with the mouse/touchpad in the menus since there are no keyboard shortcuts. A VST host could work.
DWe six piece kit, Roland BT-1s/eDRUMin, RME Fireface interface, JH Audio IEMs w/Fiio Amp, Porter & Davies transducer, Razer 16 laptop, SD3 (State of the Art, Stockholm, Hitmaker, Legacy of Rock, Decades, Death & Darkness, Fields of Rock, Stories)
drumjack52Oh hey Mark, yah I figured I would post here as well to see if anybody had a solution. And yes drumjack, would need to remap all three midi notes for toms. I think the takeaway here is that SD3 is not intended for live edrumming use. It’s not desirable to have to spend time on your laptop swapping out midi map presets on stage in between songs, and then back again. And this in addition to the time it takes to change drum presets only with the mouse/touchpad in the menus since there are no keyboard shortcuts. A VST host could work.
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Agreed that SD3 isn’t really made for a drummer who’s band plays different genres. More for what one usually sees on stage with one drummer who has one kit. If you’re looking for a vst host take a look at BlueCat Patchwork.
Jack
aka musicman691 on other forums
Superior Drummer 3.4.0
Area 33 1.0.0
Death and Darkness 1.0.1
PT 2021.6
OSX 10.13.6
3.46 GHz hex core 2012 MacPro 48 gig ram
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Thanked by: Tom ConnerBear-Faced CowI’m going to disagree with you both here. Stating that Superior Drummer 3, or any sampler/rompler, isn’t suitable for live use is rather inexperienced on using this type of software live. As with all samplers loading data takes time. This has not changed in the past 35 years. In fact, with more powerful computers, more powerful applications loading larger amounts of data is not uncommon. After all, this is how programs like Superior Drummer 3 achieve realism. If you believe that using a MIDI program change message to immediately switch patches on the fly is all you need then you may be in for a bit of a shock. I can assure you with experience that groups like Rush did not go on stage with a couple of laptops and simply load a different patch between songs, they not only had multiple instances of software but hardware as well. Not to mention that loading each instance was also well choreographed and rehearsed.
so what you are trying to achieve in Superior Drummer can indeed be done, but you need to think multiple instances and projects to accommodate your kit presets and mappings, and a well rehearsed plan on how to use them.
jord
drumjack52Rush had plenty of people behind the scenes to do the work. For anyone of lesser calibre there’s nothing but the people on stage. Your average band playing a gig doesn’t have that kind of oomph behind them. They don’t even have people to do cartage for them – they schlepp their own gear. Been there/done that. I would NOT trust a computer on stage.
Jack
aka musicman691 on other forums
Superior Drummer 3.4.0
Area 33 1.0.0
Death and Darkness 1.0.1
PT 2021.6
OSX 10.13.6
3.46 GHz hex core 2012 MacPro 48 gig ram
Bear-Faced CowRush didn’t trust one computer as well. That’s why they had more than one Mac along with banks of samplers. Despite the mishaps they’ve had with them, the show continued. They had only one person loading them all in a well timed and well rehearsed fashion. He knew what needed to be queued up and ready for the next song. Loading them all back then was a far slower process than it takes for today’s data takes to load, and this was with far smaller sizes. Like I said, I’m writing through experience as far as they go.
None of the above is different than using multiple instances of Superior Drummer. While it can be done on a single laptop, having enough RAM and a stable OS is the key. Very rare have I crashed Superior Drummer, but when it did crash, I was doing something beyond mere loading a project.
jord
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