Help with exporting each instrument individually

[KabukimanSanjo]

I’m wanting to export each instrument track as its own file, for the project I’m working on I have the kick, snare, hi hat, crash, floor tom, and toms 1 & 2.  I don’t see a need to export the different parts of the kick or the snare, such as “snare top and snare bottom” separately, I would like to combine those into one file, but I want the instrument itself as a whole to have a separate file from the other instruments. I see there’s an option to route each instrument in the mixer differently. When I leave them all to 1/2, they sound different (and better) than when I give each instrument its own routing number. Is this because the ambience is affecting each instrument when they’re all routed to 1/2? I just want to have each instrument sound exactly like it does when they’re all routed to 1/2, but have them export to individual files.

Check the attached file for what I see when I go to export the stems individually, leaving the routing to 1/2 for each instrument.

I don’t understand why Ambience would be routed to its own track (or whatever you’d call it). Does that mean none of the instruments will have ambience unless you play the ambience file along with them?

And then there’s things like “OH mono” and “crunch” being given their own tracks (Crunch is cut off in the screenshot). Do I need to worry about OH mono? And can how should crunch be routed?
I’m so confused!

EZdrummer version: 3.0.6
Operating system: Windows 11

• This post was modified 5 months, 1 week ago by KabukimanSanjo.

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[Shootie]

Decide what to isolate by select the “Out” text at the bottom of each fader. You have 16 stereo channels to work with.

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[MauricioLuque]

I have the feeling that the level of detail that EZDrummer 3 allows to work with each part of the drum kit is excessive because it seems to me that it is like recording the 6 strings of a guitar separately.

When I sound a real drum kit, I simply place two overheads and a microphone on the bass drum or, at most, one microphone for the bass drum, one for the snare and one for the hi-hat.
In this day and age any well tuned 400 euro drum kit  sounds much better than Ringo Starr’s Ludwig (let’s leave aside that very few drummers know how to tune their drums correctly).

In your case I would create a drum sound that I like with all the instruments; then I would route each instrument separately (mixing the bass drum and snare components into one channel for each) and mix all the ambience, overhead and crunch channels to a stereo track (and call it “Air”, so that everybody will ask me later what “it” is).😉

Mauricio Luque
My self-band and discography: Mauricio y Los Vicios

• This post was modified 5 months, 1 week ago by MauricioLuque.

[Bear-Faced Cow]

I have the feeling that the level of detail that EZDrummer 3 allows to work with each part of the drum kit is excessive because it seems to me that it is like recording the 6 strings of a guitar separately.

You’ve probably never used a hex pickup. They’ve been around since the 70’s. Aside from that, EZ Drummer’s is far from excessive since its usage is varied. Different genres (and even songs) will use different microphone techniques. And comparing it to recording a guitar is nonsensical as they are two different instruments.

When I sound a real drum kit, I simply place two overheads and a microphone on the bass drum or, at most, one microphone for the bass drum, one for the snare and one for the hi-hat.

That’s you. That’s not everyone.

In this day and age any well tuned 400 euro drum kit  sounds much better than Ringo Starr’s Ludwig

That’s half-truth especially if you haven’t heard Ringo’s kit in the room. The Ludwig Oyster kit is a very beautiful sounding kit and is very versatile, but may not be for your music. You can’t compare a 1960’s capture to today. Vast differences in recording gear, producers and even drummers (many of whom I do know how to tune their drums).

As for the OP, you are best to export your close mic’d channels, ambient channels and other channels such as crunch separately. It will make it far easier to mix. Also note that you will experience a difference in sound since you will need to provide your own bus compression  and processing as you lose those things when exporting multi-channel.  However, if you sending it to someone else to mix, it probably won’t matter since they will do their own processing and I wouldn’t worry about it.

jord

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Jordan L. Chilcott

Web Site: https://jordanchilcottmusic.com/

[KabukimanSanjo]

I didn’t know that I would lose the processing if I exported to multi-channel.

I don’t understand how things like ambience and crunch will be applied to the other instruments if they’re exported similarly. Do I just put the wav file of the ambience/crunch alongside the other files, and the ambience and crunch will be added to the rest?

[Bear-Faced Cow]

You would add these files as needed within the mix. You would use whatever suits the song. They are similar to doing things like New York style compression.

The loss of any bus processing is pretty much mixing 101 since if you are going to use multi channel output, you would no longer have a bus within EZ Drummer.

Are you exporting the drums for somebody else to mix?

jord

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Jordan L. Chilcott

Web Site: https://jordanchilcottmusic.com/

[KabukimanSanjo]

I’m mixing myself, though I don’t really know how.

I’m asking if the separate reverb/crunch files have sound of their own, basically. Like if you route just the reverb to be exported to its own file, does that somehow capture some sort of sound that can be played alongside the rest of the files to add reverb to them, or would that result in nothing? Does the reverb have to be exported in the same file as an instrument which will receive the reverb effect?

[Brad]

Yes, the ambient, OH, etc, tracks contain audio reflecting their configuration and useage (ambient/reverb, OH, etc…)…

Sorry that’s a very cumbersome way to say “yup”…

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[Bear-Faced Cow]

I’m mixing myself, though I don’t really know how.

That only leads me to wonder why you want to engage in such a process. In all of my mixes these days, I’ve almost never found the need to export the drums as audio. EZ Drummer has a low footprint so it won’t weigh down your computer and is also mix ready for most song application. Only time I need to go multi-out is when I know I need to have more control.

It sounds like you may be making it harder for yourself than need be.

jord

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Jordan L. Chilcott

Web Site: https://jordanchilcottmusic.com/

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[MauricioLuque]

Bear-Faced Cow wrote:

You’ve probably never used a hex pickup.

I am the owner of a Roland GR-20, with its corresponding GK-3 pickup, since they were released; please don’t assume things you don’t know.

Bear-Faced Cow wrote:

That’s half-truth especially if you haven’t heard Ringo’s kit in the room.

I’m not saying no, but I have my doubts about whether you’ve heard Ringo play in the studio. I would give my left arm for something like that since 1981 when my father gave me a double album called Rock’n’roll music to have all the material I have of The Beatles. And yes, Ringo’s drums sound worse than the 400 euro Thomann Millenium drums; in these 60 years technology and factories have evolved a lot, believe it or not.

EZdrummer version: 3.0.6
Operating system: Windows 10

Mauricio Luque
My self-band and discography: Mauricio y Los Vicios

• This post was modified 5 months ago by MauricioLuque.

[Bear-Faced Cow]

This is where I take a flamethrower to the straw men. Time for some fun…

I am the owner of a Roland GR-20, with its corresponding GK-3 pickup, since they were released;

So did I. It was my second guitar synthesizer. However I traded it up to the GR-55 because the GR-20 was way too “Fisher-Price“ compared to the various synthesizer that I was used to playing with, and even the ones I’m used to building in Reaktor. My first guitar synthesizer was an ARP Avatar which I bought in the mid-70s.

However that is not what I asked you. I did not ask you if you used a hex pick up in a guitar synthesizer, if you can call the GR-20 a guitar synthesizer. Specifically I was referring to the use of a hex pick up for recording purposes. Very different in nature, and there are some very creative uses from it. Too many to go into.

And, for the purposes of this conversation, there is a reason that I mentioned the hex pick up. It is similar to how a drum kit is recorded. Like the hex pickup, you’re looking at a drum kit, both individually and holistically.

I’m not saying no, but I have my doubts about whether you’ve heard Ringo play in the studio.

Irrelevant as it has no bearing in this case.

I would give my left arm for something like that since 1981 when my father gave me a double album called Rock’n’roll music to have all the material I have of The Beatles. And yes, Ringo’s drums sound worse than the 400 euro Thomann Millenium drums; in these 60 years technology and factories have evolved a lot, believe it or not.

Seriously?! You are drawing a comparisons to an album released in 1963, whose drums were recorded using two ribbon microphones on one track of a tube driven tape recorder. One is barely capturing how a drum should sound. Have you ever recorded drums with ribbon mics? Even more so do you have ribbon mics? If you do, then you would know automatically how it affects the tonality of a drum kit. Let alone the fact that you are only using two of them instead of a multi mic’d kit.

I don’t hate to tell you that a multi-mic’d Hello Kitty kit could sound better because of the recording techniques in comparison. It has nothing to do with the drums either now or then. It’s all in the capture.  Perhaps, you’ll soon realize that the same kits q will sound radically different in the hands of different producers, studios and recording chains.

Perhaps listen to Ringo’s drums in a modern recording like a bunch of his albums. Far cry from 1963.

please don’t assume things you don’t know

Perhaps you should live by own words in this case.

jord

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Jordan L. Chilcott

Web Site: https://jordanchilcottmusic.com/

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[MauricioLuque]

Bear-Faced Cow wrote:

This is where I take a flamethrower to the straw men. Time for some fun…

Sorry.
I don’t have as much free time as you do.
Have a nice day.

Mauricio Luque
My self-band and discography: Mauricio y Los Vicios

[Bear-Faced Cow]

I don’t have as much free time as you do.

That’s OK. It’s not that hard to figure out what you’re really saying

Have fun!.

Back to our regularly scheduled program…

jord

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Jordan L. Chilcott

Web Site: https://jordanchilcottmusic.com/

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