HELP! SD3 for Live Performance using Yamaha DTX 522

[andrekeli]

Hi, I am trying to use SD3 for live performance...

Hi,

I am trying to use SD3 for live performance on my Yamaha DTX522 at my church but it sounds like crap (sorry!).

First I tried it at home, using my own Yamaha DTX400 series, output the sound into my headphone and it sounded beautiful! The mapping was quick and easy, the sound just like what I expected (having watched various videos on Youtube).

But when I went to set it up at my church using the Yamaha DTX522, it sounds horrible. I was so disappointed.

I am kind of new in this e-drum and SD, so please help me out.

My DTX522 system setup is as follow:

1. I used my SD3 on the same MBP and connect my the DTX522 to it as my input. What happened was:
   • The mapping of the DTX502 was horrible!! Can’t get things right, unlike the DTX402. e.g. the cymbal triggers kick sound etc.
2. Using the headphone output jack on my MBP, I connect it to the Yamaha mixer MG10XU
3. I then connect the mixer to a monitor ampli speaker Yamaha DBR10 (It worked well with DTX522 as a standalone). But, in this case:
   • The sound is small and horrendous, nothing at all like the one I heard coming from my headphone. It’s just like trash (sorry!)
   • Sounds bleed all over the place

I wonder where I am wrong and lacking in terms of:

1. Hardware
2. Software
3. Connection
4. Setting

I am really disappointed but I really want this to work as SD3 has amazing tons of kits available. It would be fantastic for my church if I can ever get it to work.

 

Also, I wonder if there are other kits/instrument available to expand the SD3 library and where can I get/buy them?

For example, I noticed the DW instruments are greyed out (how do I activate it?). For example, a Sonor SQ2 kit (birch or maple or aluminum) would be appreciated. Or at least Sonor SQ2 instruments.

 

Thank you very much for your time and attention.

I look forward to hearing from you.

 

Andrew

Hi,

I am trying to use SD3 for live performance on my Yamaha DTX522 at my church but it sounds like crap (sorry!).

First I tried it at home, using my own Yamaha DTX400 series, output the sound into my headphone and it sounded beautiful! The mapping was quick and easy, the sound just like what I expected (having watched various videos on Youtube).

But when I went to set it up at my church using the Yamaha DTX522, it sounds horrible. I was so disappointed.

I am kind of new in this e-drum and SD, so please help me out.

My DTX522 system setup is as follow:

1. I used my SD3 on the same MBP and connect my the DTX522 to it as my input. What happened was:
   • The mapping of the DTX502 was horrible!! Can’t get things right, unlike the DTX402. e.g. the cymbal triggers kick sound etc.
2. Using the headphone output jack on my MBP, I connect it to the Yamaha mixer MG10XU
3. I then connect the mixer to a monitor ampli speaker Yamaha DBR10 (It worked well with DTX522 as a standalone). But, in this case:
   • The sound is small and horrendous, nothing at all like the one I heard coming from my headphone. It’s just like trash (sorry!)
   • Sounds bleed all over the place

I wonder where I am wrong and lacking in terms of:

1. Hardware
2. Software
3. Connection
4. Setting

I am really disappointed but I really want this to work as SD3 has amazing tons of kits available. It would be fantastic for my church if I can ever get it to work.

 

Also, I wonder if there are other kits/instrument available to expand the SD3 library and where can I get/buy them?

For example, I noticed the DW instruments are greyed out (how do I activate it?). For example, a Sonor SQ2 kit (birch or maple or aluminum) would be appreciated. Or at least Sonor SQ2 instruments.

 

Thank you very much for your time and attention.

I look forward to hearing from you.

 

Andrew

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[Mark King]

SD3 loads samples to ram and never streams from disk. Unless you have the setting that doesn’t load the whole kit I can’t see this being it. You would know if you had this setting. There is no reason I can think of that would increase toms only latency.

what I don’t get is you mention the toms fade and then you turn up the monitor and the come back for a while. This does not seem to describe latency at all. Latency is where the sound is late not quiet?

SD3 with older sdx,s plus Rooms of Hansa and Death & Darkness. Cubase and wavelab current versions. Roland TD50x using all trigger inputs for triggering SD3 only. Windows 11 computer. Various keyboards and outboard gear as well as VST instruments. Acoustic drums: Yamaha 9000 natural wood and Pearl masters. Various snare drums. RME BabyFace Pro FS and Adam A7X monitors

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[andrekeli]

Mark King wrote:

SD3 loads samples to ram and never streams from disk. Unless you have the setting that doesn’t load the whole kit I can’t see this being it. You would know if you had this setting. There is no reason I can think of that would increase toms only latency.

what I don’t get is you mention the toms fade and then you turn up the monitor and the come back for a while. This does not seem to describe latency at all. Latency is where the sound is late not quiet?

Hi Mark,

It did happen again today. This time the snare though.

I had been playing for like 45 minutes of quite lively songs. Then, suddenly my snare didn’t sound at all when I hit it. Could this be RAM issue or sensor problem? After leaving it alone for 5 minutes, it came back up. The toms, on the other hand, were fine today.

Thanks,

AK

[andrekeli]

Hi all,

Need another of your divine intervention…

I still can’t get the Focusrite Scarlett 2i4 to output sounds into my mixer/speaker system. All this while I am using a monitor, thus separated from other instruments plugged into the mixer. And it sounds harsh… So I tried the Scarlett 2i4 to bring into my mixer/speaker system.

Is there any step-by-step setup in SD3 for Scarlett 2i4? I think I am missing some parts.

My setup was done following the diagram which I found in one of the posts here (see attached).

1. I connected the DTX522 to Scarlett 2i4 using the USB-MIDI cable. Had to find a USB-A/B adapter since DTX502 only uses USB type B port (no MIDI ports). Yet the LED on the USB-MIDI cable never lit up. I think the adapter is broken.
2. The MIDI ports went into the 2i4 MIDI ports with corresponding I/O channel.
3. I connected the Scarlett 2i4 to SD3 (on Mac) using the USB cable.
4. I connected the Scarlett output into my Yamaha MG10XU mixer using double jacks.
5. I set the Audio Channel Input/Output in the Mac to the Scarlett 2i4.
6. I set the MIDI to Scarlett 2i4 in SD3

The outcome was as follows:

1. I got no signal coming from DTX502 at all. The drum pics in SD3 was not triggered. Do I need to re-map again? I suspected the foul adapter was the culprit. I tried the cable on my keyboard and it worked. Will get another one tomorrow.
2. Well, of course, no sound coming from my Mackey speakers at all.

Heck, I even tried plugging my drum from Mac into channel 1 of 2i4, nothing… nada…

What other setting did I miss?

Thanks,

AK

[Mark King]

The midi out of the dtx should be plugged into the Scarlett not usb.

SD3 with older sdx,s plus Rooms of Hansa and Death & Darkness. Cubase and wavelab current versions. Roland TD50x using all trigger inputs for triggering SD3 only. Windows 11 computer. Various keyboards and outboard gear as well as VST instruments. Acoustic drums: Yamaha 9000 natural wood and Pearl masters. Various snare drums. RME BabyFace Pro FS and Adam A7X monitors

[Lars Fossum]

andrekeli wrote:

1. I connected the DTX522 to Scarlett 2i4 using the USB-MIDI cable. Had to find a USB-A/B adapter since DTX502 only uses USB type B port (no MIDI ports). Yet the LED on the USB-MIDI cable never lit up. I think the adapter is broken.

I see this as the main problem – the audio interface is not creating a midi device for you from usb anything.

Connect this usb from dtx to computer directly – and there would be midi ports to connect to sd3 to choose from – different than Focusrite interface ports.

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[Lars Fossum]

Mark King wrote:

The midi out of the dtx should be plugged into the Scarlett not usb.

What I could see the DTX 502 trigger module for this kit does only have usbtohost, this crap that Yamaha is leaning more on nowadays.

I would never purchase anything like that. You cannot have 5m or 10m usb cables, it just not reliable.

Proper din midi cables though, no problem.

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[andrekeli]

Lars Fossum wrote:

Mark King wrote:

The midi out of the dtx should be plugged into the Scarlett not usb.

What I could see the DTX 502 trigger module for this kit does only have usbtohost, this crap that Yamaha is leaning more on nowadays.

I would never purchase anything like that. You cannot have 5m or 10m usb cables, it just not reliable.

Proper din midi cables though, no problem.

Hi Mark,

Thanks!

Yes, I see this as the problem. I need to upgrade the module to the Yamaha DTX702, which has MIDI IO ports. This should solve my problem.

I can’t get the MIDI signal from the DTX502 using even the USB-MIDI cable.

I think USBtoHost doesn’t send any MIDI, which I find it strange because if I connect it to SD3 directly, it can trigger the sounds (thus, I was assuming it’s sending MIDI information).

 

Best Regards,

AK

[andrekeli]

Hi guys,

I tried the following simply to get the SD3 sounds out from my speakers:

1. I connected my DTX502 to SD3 in my Mac via USB for MIDI trigger, it works. The triggering happens.
2. I connected my Mac to the Scarlett 2i4 via USB.
3. I set the Focusrite as the output device in SD3 setting.
4. I connected my Yamaha DBR10 active speaker to the Focusrite using audio jack from the output ports in the back of Focusrite. I even tried using the headphone plugged into the monitor port on the front of the Focusrite.
5. NO SOUND coming out of my monitor whatsoever! I tried turning all the dials in the Focusrite, nothing!

What else did I miss? The setup all seems logical to me. Yet, no sound at all!

Where did I go wrong (again)? ugh it’s so frustrating!

How do we get the sounds out from SD3 in Mac into the speakers?

Thanks,

AK

[Lars Fossum]

andrekeli wrote:

I even tried using the headphone plugged into the monitor port on the front of the Focusrite.

1. NO SOUND coming out of my monitor whatsoever! I tried turning all the dials in the Focusrite, nothing!

What else did I miss? The setup all seems logical to me. Yet, no sound at all!

Where did I go wrong (again)? ugh it’s so frustrating!

How do we get the sounds out from SD3 in Mac into the speakers?

Thanks,

AK

One Focusrite interface I used, also had a balance knob on front panel(called input/playback on yours) that balance direct input signal and what comes out from interface. So turn that clockwise to playback all the way to be sure. And also try the 1-2/3-4 source switch – not sure what it does and volume on headphones up as well as Monitor knob.

Do the headphone thing first, then continue with speaker stuff – more things to think about.

Not familiar with Mac, so not sure what else could matter.

• This post was modified 6 years, 2 months ago by Lars Fossum.

[andrekeli]

Lars Fossum wrote:

andrekeli wrote:

I even tried using the headphone plugged into the monitor port on the front of the Focusrite.

1. NO SOUND coming out of my monitor whatsoever! I tried turning all the dials in the Focusrite, nothing!

What else did I miss? The setup all seems logical to me. Yet, no sound at all!

Where did I go wrong (again)? ugh it’s so frustrating!

How do we get the sounds out from SD3 in Mac into the speakers?

Thanks,

AK

One Focusrite interface I used, also had a balance knob on front panel(called input/playback on yours) that balance direct input signal and what comes out from interface. So turn that clockwise to playback all the way to be sure. And also try the 1-2/3-4 source switch – not sure what it does and volume on headphones up as well as Monitor knob.

Do the headphone thing first, then continue with speaker stuff – more things to think about.

Not familiar with Mac, so not sure what else could matter.

Yeah.. Managed to get it to work. Wonderful SD3!

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